think about it ????

[stiff tip]

crys n complaints..... lack of big n small bass.....this past springs run at the canal was great...what sucked was the so called sport fisherman killing his 2 fish a day for every day they could. i saw piles of fish leave the canal to anyone that could cast a spinning rod... lot of canal heros(pigs) this year.my guess is that the sport fisherman WILL killed more bass(about 13,000,000 lbs) again this year. so think about it? U so called sportsman controll the ball (bass) ,so wake up be a honorable sport fisherman? it takes bigger balls to let um go. or keep your eyes closed and keep wragin about your lack of fishing .

[BigFish]

Just wonderin' when the states marine fisheries is gonna wake up and roll the limit back to one a day or initiate a slot limit! This has been going on ar too long!!!! NOBODY NEEDS 2 FISH A DAY EVERYDAY!!!

[JohnR]

Davy Poo - Its You Too. You selling then you've put a dent too. Now you need to pick on the Jetties of Jersey, the bay bunker runs, the Southwest Ledge, and the Great Hypocritical EEZ Fleet. Add poachers, netters, and bycatch too.

It is not two a days at the canal that is the problem, it is one small corner of the problem.

You do know this right?

Go Baack to 2005 regs and then slash 33% off EVERYONE.

(For you Dave that would be back to 800K for mass less 1/3)

[Jackbass]

I agree EVERYONE needs to take less. If compromise is not achieved from all use groups we are doomed. Roll it back to one a day to start for the recs. That will eliminate a lot of waste. Sure there may be people that take their two and eat them but how many fish sit in the back of a freezer for months after a headboat trip. I don't keep fish not my style. But I will never call someone out for operating within the confines of the law. If we don't like the laws then we need to work to change them. Conservation is everyone's job. Not a single use group.
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[piemma]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Just wonderin' when the states marine fisheries is gonna wake up and roll the limit back to one a day or initiate a slot limit! This has been going on ar too long!!!! NOBODY NEEDS 2 FISH A DAY EVERYDAY!!!

How long do we need to keep saying the same thing? The powers that be will not listen to us!

[Fishoholic]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

crys n complaints..... lack of big n small bass.....this past springs run at the canal was great...what sucked was the so called sport fisherman killing his 2 fish a day for every day they could. i saw piles of fish leave the canal to anyone that could cast a spinning rod... lot of canal heros(pigs) this year.my guess is that the sport fisherman WILL killed more bass(about 13,000,000 lbs) again this year. so think about it? U so called sportsman controll the ball (bass) ,so wake up be a honorable sport fisherman? it takes bigger balls to let um go. or keep your eyes closed and keep wragin about your lack of fishing .

Just curious... are you a commercial guy and have you had low numbers this year? No offense meant.. just trying to see where the rant came from.

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by Fishoholic

Just curious... are you a commercial guy and have you had low numbers this year? No offense meant.. just trying to see where the rant came from.

It all started last year after a "The Gun Went Off Thread"...

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Fishoholic

Just curious... are you a commercial guy and have you had low numbers this year? No offense meant.. just trying to see where the rant came from.

Nah. He's a chippendale dancer and the tips at the nursing homes where he performs have been way down this year so he is feeling a little edgy.

[JackK]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Just wonderin' when the states marine fisheries is gonna wake up and roll the limit back to one a day or initiate a slot limit! This has been going on ar too long!!!! NOBODY NEEDS 2 FISH A DAY EVERYDAY!!!

Originally Posted by piemma

How long do we need to keep saying the same thing? The powers that be will not listen to us!

I went to the ASMFC SB meeting the other week... They mentioned that the Addendum III draft is up for review this August in Boston. One key point was a reduction in take up to 40%- could be a reduction of quota, increase in size limit, reduction of # of fish allowed, or any combination of the above.

So hopefully, this 2 @ 28" waste will soon be a thing of the past.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by piemma

How long do we need to keep saying the same thing? The powers that be will not listen to us!

They only listen to the numbers and will not change anything until the numbers dictate there is a problem. Unfortunately this is reactive approach. By the guidelines they cannot exact any type of management until Spawning Biomass reaches a particular level. Unless someone were to propose an addendum to the management plan that were approved by the managers. History tells us unless the data is there to support a management action they will do nothing. We will see What the stock assessment says later this year. If the numbers are ugly there will be action. They gave themselves the ability to reduce harvest by 40% at the spring meeting. How they determine they will reach 40% less take? Your guess is as good as mine.
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[Fishoholic]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Nah. He's a chippendale dancer and the tips at the nursing homes where he performs have been way down this year so he is feeling a little edgy.

thanks for the clarification!

[FishermanTim]

Are we also just targeting MA anglers, or are we including every Tom, #^&#^&#^&#^& and Harry up and down the eastern seacoast?
If seems that since the states below NY have different rules regarding size, limit and method of harvest, specifically pointing out regs that have been applied to us is useless.
If the commercial harvesters in the Delware and Chesapeake Bays are netting stripers, and can harvest smaller sizes, why focus on us here in MA, where we have a more stringent requirement for commercials?

Maybe if we focused more on a uniform set of regulations governing the harvest of the same fish species, and ALSO focused on the overharvest of the supporting baitfish populations, maybe just maybe we could avert another stock collapse like we had in the 80's?

OH, and isn't it funny that the reference is to the fish problem WE had, not the entire east coast?

As for keeping 1 or 2 fish, I say only take what you will definitely eat.
Unless you are feeding a very large family (hint: bucket brigade & poachers) one fish will supply meat for a few meals.

It just seems like we are looking to increase the fish stocks, but not the bait stocks. That's like trying to feed a half dozen dogs with 1 can of food.
Then there's the seal problem. Increased seal populations mean less indiginous baitfish for the bass, and with increased seal numbers, the likelihood of diseases from seals increases as well.

Looks like we've got more on our plate than just "simple" fish quotas?

[stiff tip]

just stating the facts..the rec pigs kill 13,000,000 plus pounds in ma per yr ,were as the regulated comm fisherman is kills 1,060,000 pounds..its a 13 to 1 overkill......Think? who needs to be the real sportsman to save the bass. so girls look in the miror its a ugly vane face looking back.obtw i,m having a great comm season. killing um by the ton ......

[Slipknot]

Are there 13 times more recs. fishing for bass than comms.?

just saying




no whining here

most of those canal 2 per day recs. don't read the website so ya talkin to yaself Dave

when the bass crash, all the googans will go away right
I should sell my extra gear, won't need it I guess


one per day is plenty

[BigFish]

Dave....an individual commercial fisherman will kill more fish than the individual rec! As Slip said....lots more recreational than commercial fishermen! Fact!

[Haus]

I catch, photo and release! Can't get more conservative than that. I only state facts when i speak of my fishing experiences for the past 10 years or so. If they got better I would say so, but unfortunately I cannot. The past 5 years got worse and this past year it got MUCH worse. We all need to slow down on killing so many bass.

Originally Posted by stiff tip

crys n complaints..... lack of big n small bass.....this past springs run at the canal was great...what sucked was the so called sport fisherman killing his 2 fish a day for every day they could. i saw piles of fish leave the canal to anyone that could cast a spinning rod... lot of canal heros(pigs) this year.my guess is that the sport fisherman WILL killed more bass(about 13,000,000 lbs) again this year. so think about it? U so called sportsman controll the ball (bass) ,so wake up be a honorable sport fisherman? it takes bigger balls to let um go. or keep your eyes closed and keep wragin about your lack of fishing .

[Jackbass]

No one is crapping on you for catching your limits. Most of the guys here That are strictly recreational seem to be conservative. So why the complaints about recreational fishermen. Which outnumber commercial 125 to 1. Talk to headboat captains about sending some back. Talk to the netters in NC about dumping fish by the thousands. Talk to the MD guys that left Gill nets UN attended. And caused the demise of thousands a upon thousands of bass. But do not call me a pig. No one is crapping on how you make your money. I only ask you don't crap on the way I enjoy my hobby. Save it for guys that are pigs and call them out.

Originally Posted by stiff tip

just stating the facts..the rec pigs kill 13,000,000 plus pounds in ma per yr ,were as the regulated comm fisherman is kills 1,060,000 pounds..its a 13 to 1 overkill......Think? who needs to be the real sportsman to save the bass. so girls look in the miror its a ugly vane face looking back.obtw i,m having a great comm season. killing um by the ton ......

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[numbskull]

Met a young man yesterday who makes his living as a year round commercial fisherman. He owns a dragger and offshore lobster boat. Fishes for almost everything year round to earn his living. I asked him if he fished commercially for striped bass. He laughed, looked at me like I was nuts, and said that "zoo" has nothing to do with commercial fishing.

Seems that full time commercial fishermen consider "commercial" striped bass fishing with disdain. Nothing more than a bunch of recreational guys cashing in on their hobby.

Striped bass are already a "gamefish". It is only that some playing the game have influenced the rules to favor their preference's at the expense of others. The "commercial" label is a ruse to make it seem like an alternate user group, but at the end of the day almost all people selling striped bass are recreational fishermen, like Dave.