Striper Bill Feb 28, MA State House

[Sea Dangles]

1 at 36" makes the rec anglers and guides happy.Manage the comm. quota responsibly on a yearly basis. It is a system that would have a huge positive impact on the fishery, and would be virtually unopposed.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Rec Guys: Have $$$ but Can always sell fish black market and make some extra $$$ but dont need it.

Com Guys: Can always sell fish Black Market and make more money, there are plenty of other fisheries to make $$$ if SB goes south.

Part Time Com Guys :Have money, Bass is bonus $$$ to keep extra nice boat and truck, can sell black market and get double Ma price black market and get even nicer boat, truck...

black market sales (poaching) by both sides puts a big hit on the sb. what about all those ma comm tags reporting no catch...sure poachers are greedy sob's stealing from everyone.

[Mr. Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

.Manage the comm. quota responsibly on a yearly basis.

Unfortunately as has been demonstrated, this can not be done in the current system. They tried, its not working and it's filled with emotions of all the user groups, who, like warring religious wackos, don't see the benefit of conservation of the fish if it means THEY can't participate to the degree they once did.
The only proven way to help the fish is to treat it in a similar fashion as tarpon, bonefish, permit, etc. Otherwise, as long as there is $/lb on the fish, it is doomed. Further, fishery managers, need to open their eyes more and protect the little fish that SB consume.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Well fishinfreak an cowhunter I've been a member of Stripers Unlimited,CCA,Stripers Forever,RFA an many local an state clubs. Don't ever remember striper forever supporting stupidity like 3 fish 28 in as its a group to preserve the fish not kill more.All the way back in the 70's it was the same I make a buck off the fish so there are loads of them.Sport fishermen do catch an kill more fish. DAAAA there are only a few million more of them than there are comms. So they will. but percentage wise the few comms kill a higher singular number as far as number of fish killed per angler.How many a day for a comm. MMMMMM a heck of a lot more than 1 or 2 per sportfishermen per day. The quote googans that keep a lot of illegals mostly have a difficult time speakin english so much of that is only knowing what they know from where they came from . to many of them it truly is just for food till they learn our customs.Catch n release to them is like heardin cows to the farm then lettin them go before killin then for meat.thats not fixable for a long time to come.But excess is just that. There is no parety in numbers an percentage for comm an sport as one group is given a much higher catch per angler than the other. Now if comms can only keep 1 or 2 fish like the rest of us well MMMMM might be something to think on. C+R well many of us do that already.I've still not heard the comms say they'll take any cutbacks at all but are very quick to say sports are the problem an should stop wasting political time n money trying to take steps to preserve the Striped Bass.Bob Pond said it best long ago. As long as there is a bounty on the Stripers they will always be exployted an overfished.So many of us now just release about all we catch that it's gonna be harder to do much more than we already do. so we try to educate an speak a bit of reason so we don't end up back where we were in the 80's. But today as back then those small numbers that sell stripers still try to ignore all the rest of what is said. We used to have huge schools of stripers all along the striper coast now there are just a couple left. Food used to be a valid argument but the last couple yrs the ammount of bait up n down the coast is huge.Herrin an macks are all over the place. Sardines are coming back. sand eels are again found in the sand on many beaches. But few or no stripers. Just because someone is catching them in their back yard does not mean that the thousands of anglers not seeing them are all wrong. WE NEED TO PUT THE BRAKES ON TO KEEP IT FROM GETTIN WORSE.EVERYONE needs to cut back.I have a Charte liscence. I dictate what happens on my boat and the shore trips I do my best to teach people conservation minded fishing so their kids can do it too someday.

The Map on their site used to tout NJ as a "gamefish state". Dont know if they were taking credit for it or what, and eventually it has changed on there. My problem was the definition of Gamefish state the current 2 fish at 28" in that state, then take the commercial quota away from the commercials, 321,000 some odd pounds, and give it to the Rec guys with an honor syste "Bonus" tag that you can print multiple copies of? It called "The Gift that keeps on giving". In this case did this change the amount of fish killed by getting rid of Com fishing in NJ? Absolutely not, you gave it to a different group that is killing even more....

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by MikeToole

Since you support cutting the rec limit in half, do you also support cutting the commercial quota by half?

If they cut the com quota in half I wouldnt have a problem with it. I do however have a problem with what they do with that quota? Give it to the rec guys like here in nj - bonus tags? Spread it out to the com quota's of other states? IF There is a problem with the Striped Bass Population then there should be cuts all across the board, state to state. Healthy stock mutually benefits everyone.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

The striped bass stock will only go south if we let it. There is no reason it should go south.
Let's just say surf fishing was overwith becuz stripers didn't come close to shore anymore, like cod, haddock and pollack. That would totally put a huge dent in many fishing suppliers pocket. It would have a ripple affect much worse that a few regulations to help save the striper population.
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Yes it will, but the reality of it is that in many areas of the striper coast, they may never come close to shore anymore regardless of regulation.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by likwid

So basically you're saying you support poaching.

Is that what I said????

[fishysob]

I love all the guys trying to justify making money to offset fuel prices and to pay for their large boats and engines. If you can't afford to run your boat without selling stripers then maybe its time to downsize your boat to one you can afford to run or fish from shore. Just remember the eighties and the decline of the striper. If you want to go back to that era then keep increasing quotas for commercial and for limits for recreational. There is no need for more than one fish a day. Or we can just keep your head up your a** and pretend that everything will be fine. Ignorance is bliss!

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

1 at 36" makes the rec anglers and guides happy.Manage the comm. quota responsibly on a yearly basis. It is a system that would have a huge positive impact on the fishery, and would be virtually unopposed.

I think you're in dream world if you think this would be unopposed. Many recreational fisherman come from the standpoint of why should I be limited to one fish when other can catch many more and sell them. When I talk to people about limiting their catch the first thing I often here is why shouldn't I keep my two when other can keep 30. Plus those keeping 30 quickly become recreational fisherman once the commercial quota is met. Another often stated reason is the stock must be healthy or they wouldn't allow commercial fishing. Even worse, I my as well get them while I still can, if I don't kill them someone else will.

Many people who support game fish status understand that the only way to get recreational fishermen to agree to cuts is to remove the commercial fishing excuse.

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

If they cut the com quota in half I wouldnt have a problem with it. I do however have a problem with what they do with that quota? Give it to the rec guys like here in nj - bonus tags? Spread it out to the com quota's of other states? IF There is a problem with the Striped Bass Population then there should be cuts all across the board, state to state. Healthy stock mutually benefits everyone.

The proposed MA Bill states that the commercial quota, if eliminated, will be set aside for conservation, not aded to the rec catch or passed along to another state.

[JohnnyD]

It's like history repeating itself. I bet we could go back to the last thread on S-B.com that talked about the last time a bill came before the MA House and it'd be a close carbon copy of this thread.

Highlights from last years thread: Recs saying it's the Comms, Comms saying things are just fine, random mentions of 1 @ 36", Cowhunter talking out of both sides of his mouth while putting words into someone else's mouth, Comms saying that Recs are greedy and are the problem... etc etc.

It's all noise and means nothing unless you head down to the State House or send a letter/email to your representative. This bill is already decided and in the end, the group with the most money will prevail. However, if you support the bill, then you should join up with StripersForever so that they have more money for the next one. I'm sure the Comms have a similar organization that lobbies for their interests.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It's like history repeating itself. I bet we could go back to the last thread on S-B.com that talked about the last time a bill came before the MA House and it'd be a close carbon copy of this thread.

Highlights from last years thread: Recs saying it's the Comms, Comms saying things are just fine, random mentions of 1 @ 36", Cowhunter talking out of both sides of his mouth while putting words into someone else's mouth, Comms saying that Recs are greedy and are the problem... etc etc.

It's all noise and means nothing unless you head down to the State House or send a letter/email to your representative. This bill is already decided and in the end, the group with the most money will prevail. However, if you support the bill, then you should join up with StripersForever so that they have more money for the next one. I'm sure the Comms have a similar organization that lobbies for their interests.

Right, but according to u I can only be a rec or comm.. cant be both? I dont have a com license anymore and dont sell fish so whats it make me? I also dont stand on a rock and wait for striped bass to come to me year after year and complain when they dont. There is some effort involved and curve balls every season. Im sorry it is difficult for some. You can either evolve, adapt or do the same #^&#^&#^&#^& over and over even if it doesnt work. Im not complaining about the lack of bass. Many have been complaining that the collapse is this year than next year its that year and so on. How many seasons have you been complaining? Explain the latest YOY numbers, where that come from??? Theres plenty of Fish to catch out there.....

[Haus]

Lions and tigers are almost extinct, but there are always places to go to kill them.
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[Typhoon]

I just sent two letters to Pacheco and Gobi asking them to vote against it.

I want to know how much money Stripers Forever is taking from the environmental lobby. Be careful who you sleep with. The chatham hook fisherman's association got in bed with EDF and look what that got them.

I am a commercial license holder who sold zero fish last year. I also purchase fish at my company from local fisherman. I also have a charter boat license.

[DZ]

This thread is getting interesting - like I traveled back in time to the Striper Wars in the 1980s. Only then it was Bob Pond and Stripers Unlimited that were being bashed like SF is now. Same arguments, almost same scenario. Last of the fish offshore. One difference is the technology today to find them. States and Feds couldn't get it together and make everyone one happy. So finally a few congress people took control and probably saved the bass otherwise this site would now be called www.scup-com.

For the sake of those reading and posting it would be nice to know in your profile whether you're a recreational fisherman, a charter boat captain, a commercial R&R pinhooker, or a charter business that also sells bass. I feel that is important in helping others understand your opinions.

DZ

[Jackbass]

It should also be said the bill proposes reducing recreational limits to one a day and imposing a slot. This is an extremely contentious issue it makes friends turn on each other. But everyone in their heart of hearts has to see the fishery is being destroyed and history is repeating itself. When the commercial fishery was re opened the asmfc used striped bass as a poster child of fisheries management. Then the rec limits were loosened. It is sad to see a species that will be brought to the brink twice in less than 30 years. A species that was once so abundant it was used as fertilizer. People talk about weather patterns, fish moving off shore, lack of forage, meanwhile we continue as if nothing were happening. The only piece of this puzzle we have any sort of control over is our selves. We as fishermen are the control in this study. Regardless of what happens around us we can only control What we do. We can't even do that.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by MikeToole

I think you're in dream world if you think this would be unopposed. Many recreational fisherman come from the standpoint of why should I be limited to one fish when other can catch many more and sell them. When I talk to people about limiting their catch the first thing I often here is why shouldn't I keep my two when other can keep 30. Plus those keeping 30 quickly become recreational fisherman once the commercial quota is met. Another often stated reason is the stock must be healthy or they wouldn't allow commercial fishing. Even worse, I my as well get them while I still can, if I don't kill them someone else will.

Many people who support game fish status understand that the only way to get recreational fishermen to agree to cuts is to remove the commercial fishing excuse.

You want 30,get a license. Otherwise it is 1 which is a lot of food and fun to catch.

[tattoobob]

The way I look at it is if one state does this it won't make a difference it needs to be coast wide or it will just be pointless

[MassBass]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

The way I look at it is if one state does this it won't make a difference it needs to be coast wide or it will just be pointless

gotta start somewhere right? all of the states collaborating at once? pointless to think so...

bass are being depleted, it's obvious. anywhere but south. and all I hear comm guys saying is me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, take, take, take. this shiet's gotta stop

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by DZ

This thread is getting interesting - like I traveled back in time to the Striper Wars in the 1980s. Only then it was Bob Pond and Stripers Unlimited that were being bashed like SF is now. Same arguments, almost same scenario. Last of the fish offshore. One difference is the technology today to find them. States and Feds couldn't get it together and make everyone one happy. So finally a few congress people took control and probably saved the bass otherwise this site would now be called www.scup-com.

For the sake of those reading and posting it would be nice to know in your profile whether you're a recreational fisherman, a charter boat captain, a commercial R&R pinhooker, or a charter business that also sells bass. I feel that is important in helping others understand your opinions.

DZ

DZ, the same technologies, and even more sophisticated technologies are used to manage the species. We also have an eez zone protecting stripers beyond 3 miles... Was that the case back then? How many states in New england have draggers, netters, etc targeting the species? This time around if there is ever a collapse you will still be blaming the coms? I am a rec, and a charter captain, I take guys out, they kill their limit, its a rec catch, as it is their catch. Those bites we had on the cape exist and are elsewhere on the shoreline. On the boat it gets to be very common.....

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by MassBass

gotta start somewhere right? all of the states collaborating at once? pointless to think so...

bass are being depleted, it's obvious. anywhere but south. and all I hear comm guys saying is me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, take, take, take. this shiet's gotta stop

What did the Ma Comms say when they actually wanted to raise the Striped Bass quota in 2010????

[Redsoxticket]

This is for those that believe that the sb are not declining.
The Man In The Mirror

The Man In The Mirror

If you get what you want in your struggle for self
And the world makes you king for a day
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what that man has to say

For it isn't a man's father, mother or wife
Whose judgement upon him must pass
The fellow whose verdict counts most in his life
Is the man staring back from the glass

He's the fellow to please, never mind the rest
For he's with you clear up to the end
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the man in the glass is your friend


You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years
And get pats on the back as you pass
But your final reward wil be heartache and tears
If you've cheated the man in the glass
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[CowHunter]

the Doors said it pretty well also

This is the end, My Striped One
Beautiful friend, My Striped One
This is the end, My Striped One
My only friend, the end, My striped One
Of our elaborate plans, the end, My Striped One
Of everything that stands, the end, My Striped One
No safety or surprise, the end, My Striped One
I'll never look into your eyes...again, My Striped One
Can you picture what will be, My Striped One
So limitless and free, My Striped One
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand, My Striped One
In a...desperate land, My Striped one
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain, My Striped One
And all the children are insane, My Striped One
All the children are insane, My Striped One
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah, My Striped One
There's danger on the edge of town, My Striped One
Ride the King's highway, My Striped One
Weird scenes inside the gold mine, My Striped One
Ride the highway west, My Striped One
Ride the snake, ride the snake, My Striped One
To the lake, the ancient lake, My Striped One
The snake is long, seven miles, My Striped One
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest, My Striped One
The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his hooks on, My Striped One
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...WAAAAAA
C'mon baby,--------- No "take a chance with us"
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end, My Striped Bass
Beautiful friend the striped Bass
This is the end, My Striped Bass
My only friend my Striped Bass the end
It HURTS to set you FREE my Striped Bass
But you'll never follow me, My Striped bass
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end my poor Striped One

[Haus]

Is it just me or does everybody here feel like Cowhunter wants the bass to collapse?? I don't feel it, I know he does!

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Stop acting like helmets
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[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Haus

Is it just me or does everybody here feel like Cowhunter wants the bass to collapse?? I don't feel it, I know he does!

This is what My Brother Marine Corp Vets say when I tell them they are doing to much killing! And No hes not wearing his helmet, its a bandana!

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by MassBass

gotta start somewhere right? all of the states collaborating at once? pointless to think so...

No I agree we need to take baby steps and any reduction Is a step in the right direction