Bruce I only use the larger size ( 80lbs.) for serious fishing and only use the smaller ( sometimes reported at 30 lbs and then sometimes as 50lbs.) one for schoolie stuff. They are great but before I went to them I only used 100lb. Coastlocks so even eighty ponuds is a bit light and remember(hahahaha) the beach ain't the canal where your using that gorrilla gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!