fiscal crisis....

[spence]

Whitehouse had already said there are no winners.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Whitehouse had already said there are no winners.
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cynical but accurate.....the government continues to operate without a budget...Americans will continue to suffer the consequences of yet another ill conceived mammoth social program and bureaucrats will continue to assume more power over the lives of ordinary individuals...we will continue to fall deeper into debt until the next debt ceiling negotiations which will, of course, simply be about "paying for what we've already overspent and not really spending more".....you could construe that the Whitehouse and Reid are negotiation "winners" but only loosely, if you are a parasite and you're killing the host..are you a ....."winner"?

[Jim in CT]

Politically, it's a short-term win for the Democrats. In the long term, it's a loss for all of us who will be alive when the debt, combined with impossible entitlements to the Baby Boomers, collapse the economy, in about 15 - 20 years.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

cynical but accurate.....the government continues to operate without a budget...Americans will continue to suffer the consequences of yet another ill conceived mammoth social program and bureaucrats will continue to assume more power over the lives of ordinary individuals...we will continue to fall deeper into debt until the next debt ceiling negotiations which will, of course, simply be about "paying for what we've already overspent and not really spending more".....you could construe that the Whitehouse and Reid are negotiation "winners" but only loosely, if you are a parasite and you're killing the host..are you a ....."winner"?

Yup, same old same old with this Administration, lead from behind, let a crisis develop with time running out, then kick the can down the road.
Great intellectual problem solving.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Whitehouse had already said there are no winners.
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I heard what the President said in regards to that. That was another immature cheap shot at Republicans, who by the way, I am totally disgusted with for being spineless. Not all of them…
I believe the" tea party "will be stronger as a result of what happened
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I believe the" tea party "will be stronger as a result of what happened
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I think the Tea Party will come through this with severe but not life threatening injuries. Given the timing of the next election cycle the rift that opened in the GOP has been pulled wide for the likes of new moderate faces to start controlling the debate in the run up to 2016.

Cruz is a smart guy and hell bent on becoming POTUS. He's going to keep the fringe in the media spotlight and continue to erode what's left of party unity. He'll make it 1/2 through the primary then comes the big flush...

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the Tea Party will come through this with severe but not life threatening injuries. Given the timing of the next election cycle the rift that opened in the GOP has been pulled wide for the likes of new moderate faces to start controlling the debate in the run up to 2016.

Cruz is a smart guy and hell bent on becoming POTUS. He's going to keep the fringe in the media spotlight and continue to erode what's left of party unity. He'll make it 1/2 through the primary then comes the big flush...

-spence

I wouldn't be surprised to see him run as some new third-party candidate. We need a better alternative then the two parties we have now
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I wouldn't be surprised to see him run as some new third-party candidate. We need a better alternative then the two parties we have now
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Likely ensuring a Clinton victory...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the Tea Party will come through this with severe but not life threatening injuries. Given the timing of the next election cycle the rift that opened in the GOP has been pulled wide for the likes of new moderate faces to start controlling the debate in the run up to 2016.


-spence

I don't know. Seems to me that every day, more people (not less) are aware of the fact that when you consider entitlement liabilities, we are almost $100 trillion in debt. More people, not less, are concerned with that, and all your side is doing on that issue is (1) increasing the debt at a record pace, and (2) demonizing anyone who dares to suggest that we have a problem here (evidenced by the honest and accurate commercials of Paul Ryan pushing a wheelchair-bound lady off a cliff).

The media has done a very good job at taking the Tea Party (those who feel that debt of $200,000 per American represents a 'problem') and portraying them as radicals and racists. That has kept the tea party somewhat marginalized. This shutdown will temporarily re-enforce that.

The time will come when even you, Spence, are going to have to admit that Paul Ryan had a point, and that we would have been better off had we listened to him.

Spence, when your kids graduate from college and are facing a Depression and federal income tax rates of 45%, and they ask you why our generation already spent every cent they will ever earn and then some, what are you going to say? That it was fair that we are dumping $100 trillion of debt in their laps? That we had no choice? That it's Sarah Palin's fault?