Supreme Court hearing Hobby Lobby v Obamacare

[spence]

I don't like the idea that a for profit corporation has religious beliefs which trump federal law. So if my corporation is run by Scientologists will they deny me my mental health medication?

But really, best line I read in a comment to an article on the topic. I'll paraphrase...

But this company has no problem selling cheap Chinese crap made by women nearly enslaved and given forced abortions...what hypocrites.

Great point anonymous.

-spence

[Nebe]

Spence, corporations are people! You don't remember?

Didn't we go to college with Corperation? man what a party animal..






And that is the reason why hobby lobby should not be exempt from this.. hobby lobby practices no religion.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Spence, corporations are people! You don't remember?

Corporations are an association of people who work together as people and hire people to produce goods and services for people. It is the people of the corporation who are responsible for the corporations policies. There is no such thing as a corporation not comprised of people. It is people who will suffer the penalties imposed on corporations, and people who will enjoy the profits or bear the losses incurred by their corporation.

Didn't we go to college with Corperation? man what a party animal..

You may have gone to college with some of the people who make up various corporations. If they were Hobby Lobby people, they might not have been party animals.

And that is the reason why hobby lobby should not be exempt from this.. hobby lobby practices no religion.

The PEOPLE who own and run the company do practice a religion. It is their decision to set policy for the company. And those policies reflect on those people, and is a product of who those people are. There is no such thing as a corporate policy which is instituted by non-persons.

BTW, have you ever gone to college or party with a government, or a mom-and-pop store, or a glass-blowing business?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Spence, corporations are people! You don't remember?

Didn't we go to college with Corperation? man what a party animal..






And that is the reason why hobby lobby should not be exempt from this.. hobby lobby practices no religion.

That is actually a point that adresses the constitutionality of the issue, instead of attacking the character of the owners. I respect that.

Unfortunately for you, your assumption that there is no correlation between corporations and the people who own them, has been settled by the Supreme Court, and not in your favor. In the recent and famous "Citizens United" case, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations, like people, have a first amendment right to free speech, and can exercise that right in the form of campaign contributions.

If business owners, via the companies they own, have the right to free speech...by what logic would they not also have the right to freedom of religion?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't like the idea that a for profit corporation has religious beliefs which trump federal law. So if my corporation is run by Scientologists will they deny me my mental health medication?

But really, best line I read in a comment to an article on the topic. I'll paraphrase...

But this company has no problem selling cheap Chinese crap made by women nearly enslaved and given forced abortions...what hypocrites.

Great point anonymous.

-spence

"I don't like the idea that a for profit corporation has religious beliefs which trump federal law"

You don't have to like it. That's the thing about the constitution, it applies even when you don't like it.

I don't like it whan an artist makes a painting of Jesus covered in feces, but his right to do that is guaranteed by the freedom of speech. Same for flag-burners.

I don't like it when the Westboro Baptist Church stages rallies at military funerals. But their right to do that is guaranteed by the freedom of assembly.

I don't like anything that Rachael Maddow says. But her right to say stupid and hateful things is guaranteed by the freedom of the press.

I don't like it when people send itiotic requests to congressmen. But their right to do that is guaranteed by the right to petition for redress of grievances.

You may not like a Christian business choosing not to pay for their employees to fornicate. LIKE IT OR NOT, their right to do that is guaranteed by the freedom of religion.

Fortunately for us, your personal preferences are not a litmus test for when the constitution applies and when it doesn't. The constutution doesn't only apply when it serves your Bolshevik agenda.

Here's more good news. Not one of the Hobby Lobby employees is forced to work there. They can work elsewhere.

"what hypocrites"...

Let's see the proof that the specific warehouse from which Hobby Lobby buys their stuff, has brutal labor practices. Until you show that proof, your smear is nothing more than ideologically-driven speculation. No one is interested. Figures that your favorite quote of all of this, is a baseless smear. What a shocker.

Finally, mental disease is a legitimate illness recognized by the AMA. Recreational sex is a purely voluntary activity that some people choose to engage in. If one wants safety devices associated with their chosen hobbies, why the f*ck can't they pay for it themselves. I like to SCUBA dive, so can I ask my employer for a free dive computer? Try telling me the difference...