Senator Warren (aka Lie-awatha) not running for POTUS

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are you offended by the fact that she lied in order to claim that she deserves the same benefits that your people rightfully deserve?

In all seriousless, I am sorry if you were offended. If she hadn't lied (which should also offend you), I would have had nothing to comment on...

I'm not convinced she's lied and I don't believe you could prove it if you had to.

A lot of people have Native American ancestry and aren't official tribal members. To become a member of the Cherokee Tribe (as Warren claimed) I had to show evidence tracing my bloodline back to the original Dawes Rolls. Doing so doesn't get you a lot beyond tribal voting rights as the Cherokee don't have a minimum blood threshold...Both my kids are in process right now, it's not a quick thing. She appears to have believed she had Native American blood and other family members have said the same thing. If she genuinely believed this -- regardless if it's right or wrong -- how can you say she lied?

Why this would compel her to indicate minority status on a school directory I don't know, perhaps she just thought it was a neat thing and wanted to express it. More importantly though, from everything I've ever read she never gained any benefit from doing so and she was highly qualified for every position she achieved.

Remember the big reason this story was floated in the first place was because Scott Brown couldn't match her on the issues...it was all he had.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not convinced she's lied and I don't believe you could prove it if you had to.

A lot of people have Native American ancestry and aren't official tribal members. To become a member of the Cherokee Tribe (as Warren claimed) I had to show evidence tracing my bloodline back to the original Dawes Rolls. Doing so doesn't get you a lot beyond tribal voting rights as the Cherokee don't have a minimum blood threshold...Both my kids are in process right now, it's not a quick thing. She appears to have believed she had Native American blood and other family members have said the same thing. If she genuinely believed this -- regardless if it's right or wrong -- how can you say she lied?

Why this would compel her to indicate minority status on a school directory I don't know, perhaps she just thought it was a neat thing and wanted to express it. More importantly though, from everything I've ever read she never gained any benefit from doing so and she was highly qualified for every position she achieved.

Remember the big reason this story was floated in the first place was because Scott Brown couldn't match her on the issues...it was all he had.

-spence

Would you be offended if I asked why you and your children are going through the process of legitimizing your claim as a Native American ? Is it just cool ?
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Originally Posted by buckman

Would you be offended if I asked why you and your children are going through the process of legitimizing your claim as a Native American ? Is it just cool ?
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Why would I be offended? My father is into genealogy and likes to record the family heritage. Have a distant cousin that was running for tribal chief. It is cool...

-spence

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by spence

Why would I be offended? My father is into genealogy and likes to record the family heritage. Have a distant cousin that was running for tribal chief. It is cool...

-spence

Would this give you the legal right to hunt seals? Now that would be cool...I might have to check out my blood lines!
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Would this give you the legal right to hunt seals? Now that would be cool...I might have to check out my blood lines!
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Likely not but that's a good point

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Why would I be offended? My father is into genealogy and likes to record the family heritage. Have a distant cousin that was running for tribal chief. It is cool...

-spence

My ex was part Penobscot . That's a fact . It appears your heritage is also a fact . See the difference between fact and a hunch ? Writing down that you were a Native American, on a hunch, in a situation that even an idiot would know could benifit you , doesn't speak well of your moral character.
That's a fact !
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[scottw]

I'm confident that I have a stronger claim to Cherokee heritage than Spinning Bull and Liawatha combined...my Mamaw and Papaw both had very high cheek bones...I won't pretend to be offended or presume to speak for my people...but what she did is absurd and defending it is even more absurd she beat Scott Brown because, despite repeated claims to the contrary and given the option, the democrat voters of this area are far more comfortable with a whack job leftist democrat than a reasonable centrist republican over the long term... just make a list of the congress people and senators representing this region...it's not pretty

maybe I missed it but was someone suggesting she run for president?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

My ex was part Penobscot . That's a fact . It appears your heritage is also a fact . See the difference between fact and a hunch ? Writing down that you were a Native American, on a hunch, in a situation that even an idiot would know could benifit you , doesn't speak well of your moral character.
That's a fact !
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You're making an assumption she did it for gain. Considering the strength of her resume at the time she didn't need to at all. Nor is there evidence she received any gain from it.

As for her not remembering, if somebody asks you something you didn't think was significant that happened 15 years prior, would you recall right away?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

You're making an assumption she did it for gain. she probably did it to increase her lib-cred in the halls of whackodemia

Considering the strength of her resume at the time she didn't need to at all. Nor is there evidence she received any gain from it.

As for her not remembering, if somebody asks you something you didn't think was significant that happened 15 years prior, would you recall right away?

-spence

you sure are running a lot of nonsense up the totem pole if she had an "R" after her name she'd have been eviscerated for this and I'm not sure that many here would have defended her....imagine the fun saturday nite live and jon stewart would have had with it....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You're making an assumption she did it for gain. Considering the strength of her resume at the time she didn't need to at all. Nor is there evidence she received any gain from it.

As for her not remembering, if somebody asks you something you didn't think was significant that happened 15 years prior, would you recall right away?

-spence

Just for giggles...why did she claim to be white when applying for a job in Texas, and Native American when she applied for a job in New England? Interesting, no?

This is quite the Senate delegation we have here in New England. Princess Fauxahontus from Mass, and in CT, Richard Blumenthal, the man who single-handedly defeated the Viet Cong during the Tet Offensive, and if I remember my military history correctly, I believe he was also the hero of the Chosin Reservoir, the Battle of the Bulge, Gettysburg, Lexington, and even Thermopalye.

[Fly Rod]

With her high cheek bones and claim to being indian in New England could lead her to monetary gain if she claims to be from a tribe that owns casino's...they do split the profits.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not convinced she's lied and I don't believe you could prove it if you had to.

A lot of people have Native American ancestry and aren't official tribal members. To become a member of the Cherokee Tribe (as Warren claimed) I had to show evidence tracing my bloodline back to the original Dawes Rolls. Doing so doesn't get you a lot beyond tribal voting rights as the Cherokee don't have a minimum blood threshold...Both my kids are in process right now, it's not a quick thing. She appears to have believed she had Native American blood and other family members have said the same thing. If she genuinely believed this -- regardless if it's right or wrong -- how can you say she lied?

Why this would compel her to indicate minority status on a school directory I don't know, perhaps she just thought it was a neat thing and wanted to express it. More importantly though, from everything I've ever read she never gained any benefit from doing so and she was highly qualified for every position she achieved.

Remember the big reason this story was floated in the first place was because Scott Brown couldn't match her on the issues...it was all he had.

-spence

"I'm not convinced she's lied "

Shocker. Somehow, you aren't convinced that Hilary lied about the sniper attack, despit the video footage of what actuallyhappened. To you, no prominent politician with a (D) after their name can be a liar.

"She appears to have believed she had Native American blood "

How could you POSSIBLY know what she actually believed? How coudl you know that she didn't just check that box to get the job she wanted?

Using your "logic", I can say that Gov Christie's people really thought they were conducting a traffic study when they snarled traffic on the bridge.

"she was highly qualified for every position she achieved. "

So was justice Bork. In the real world, poitical considerations sometime mean a great deal. Is that news to you?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How could you POSSIBLY know what she actually believed? How coudl you know that she didn't just check that box to get the job she wanted?

Well, that's what she said. As I indicated, I don't see any evidence she checked a box to get any job nor did she receive any special favors.

So was justice Bork. In the real world, poitical considerations sometime mean a great deal. Is that news to you?

Irrelevant.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, that's what she said. As I indicated, I don't see any evidence she checked a box to get any job nor did she receive any special favors.


Irrelevant.

-spence

"Well, that's what she said"

Oh, well, in that case.... So since she didn't admit to lying, you assume she is not lying. May we all assume, therefore, that you don't think for a minute that Christie had anything to do with the traffic snarls? Similarly, you believe that O.J. is innocent?

That's what liars do, Spence. They say things that they know to be false.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Well, that's what she said"

Oh, well, in that case.... So since she didn't admit to lying, you assume she is not lying. May we all assume, therefore, that you don't think for a minute that Christie had anything to do with the traffic snarls? Similarly, you believe that O.J. is innocent?

That's what liars do, Spence. They say things that they know to be false.

You have no evidence she knew it was false.

You also have no evidence she used it for any material gain.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You have no evidence she knew it was false.

You also have no evidence she used it for any material gain.

-spence

"You have no evidence she knew it was false."

No? Let's re-cap...

When she taught at the University of TX, she listed herself as white. Then after she was in the Ivy League, a reporter asked her why the school listed her as Native American. She claimed to have no idea why the school listed her that way. When she was showed her application, where she listed herself a Native American, she changed her tune and said "oh that's right, I did tell them that."

Ha she provided any proof of her claim? The Globe had reported on the existence of a marriage license by her great-great grandmother, then issued a retraction.

Maybe she's actually a chameleon, white one day, Native American the next?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/10880/

[scottw]

this is hysterical isn't it?

...Chief Little Big Mouth defending Liawatha the Crooked Squaw