TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by piemma

Sure, great point. So I take my nephews on my boat and everyone chips in for gas. Now, if I have a 6 pack license I'm a charter so we can all keep 2 fish a piece.

THIS IS STUPID!!! ONE FISH PER DAY PER ANGLER. PERIOD!!!!!!

I'm sure you know this ,but that would not make you a charter. There's a little more to it.
I'm not advocating for two fish for charters . I'm just playing devils advocate here.
I've been reading a lot of born-again one fish advocates, a lot of holier than thou flyfisherman, and a Lotta screw them they backed themselves into this corner talk .
Most of the boats that I know would only take two fish per customer if the customer requested it. None of the boats that I know commercial fish on days that they're also running a charter, that is illegal.
A lot of you one fish guys put more fish in the freezer in a year than the guy that fishes with his family once or twice a year on a charterboat.
With the new cod fish regulations and haddock regulations A lot of guys who have been in the business for many many years are being forced out . To some the new striper regulations will be the final steak in the coffin.
I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm sure you know this ,but that would not make you a charter. There's a little more to it.
I'm not advocating for two fish for charters . I'm just playing devils advocate here.
I've been reading a lot of born-again one fish advocates, a lot of holier than thou flyfisherman, and a Lotta screw them they backed themselves into this corner talk .
Most of the boats that I know would only take two fish per customer if the customer requested it. None of the boats that I know commercial fish on days that they're also running a charter, that is illegal.
A lot of you one fish guys put more fish in the freezer in a year than the guy that fishes with his family once or twice a year on a charterboat.
With the new cod fish regulations and haddock regulations A lot of guys who have been in the business for many many years are being forced out . To some the new striper regulations will be the final steak in the coffin.
I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

Mike.
How many times I got to tell you this is Stripers-Forever.Com
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

LMAO
Mike we all don't live in Cambridge you know

tell us why you support a 2 fish allowance???

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

LMAO
Mike we all don't live in Cambridge you know

tell us why you support a 2 fish allowance???

1@28" will achieve the exact same outcome as 2@33", a 25% reduction.
Given the choice, I will ask for 2@33".

Somehow that gets me labeled as a blind greedy black market fish monger hellbent on the destruction of the fishery.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

1@28" will achieve the exact same outcome as 2@33", a 25% reduction.
Given the choice, I will ask for 2@33".

Somehow that gets me labeled as a blind greedy black market fish monger hellbent on the destruction of the fishery.

the so called experts may say it's the same outcome(although I think it is over a longer period of time) but I am not buying into that at all. I don't see how allowing 2 fish is more conservative than 1 fish just because the size limit is raised by 5 inches, big deal , it still kills 2 fish, that is twice as many, granted it protects the population of undersize fish but once they reach 33", they'll be killed too.

I don't know about your label there, but being in the business one would think you would want the bass to be plentiful and sustainable rather than just at the brink of collapse.
I just don't agree with having a choice for s special group, I see no need for it.

I wonder if those fisheries expert scientist or whatever they are take into account all the losses like from predators, disease, starvation, poachers. I think they are tossing out educated guesses and can put the numbers where they see fit.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

the so called experts may say it's the same outcome(although I think it is over a longer period of time) but I am not buying into that at all. I don't see how allowing 2 fish is more conservative than 1 fish just because the size limit is raised by 5 inches, big deal , it still kills 2 fish, that is twice as many, granted it protects the population of undersize fish but once they reach 33", they'll be killed too.

I don't know about your label there, but being in the business one would think you would want the bass to be plentiful and sustainable rather than just at the brink of collapse.
I just don't agree with having a choice for s special group, I see no need for it.

I wonder if those fisheries expert scientist or whatever they are take into account all the losses like from predators, disease, starvation, poachers. I think they are tossing out educated guesses and can put the numbers where they see fit.

Fair enough .
I'm sure the science is seriously flawed . It always is .
That is why putting people out of work needs to be factored in .
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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that's fine but show me a more valid reason charters should be able to allow 2 fish per customer.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

that's fine but show me a more valid reason charters should be able to allow 2 fish per customer.

I haven't seen a valid reason they shouldn't . Some of you guys sound like the same people closing beaches for Piping Plovers 😊
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

I haven't seen a valid reason they shouldn't . Some of you guys sound like the same people closing beaches for Piping Plovers 😊
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one good spawning year is not enough to sustain the population in my opinion
better to err on the side of caution then risk more bad years of spawning, you never know how long it will take to recover the bass to where it should be. Like MakoMike said, weather has a lot to do with it and also I believe water quality as well so fertilizers and other polution may contribute.

How about this, we have all those freaking meetings all over again and vote again but make it 2 fish coastwide at 34" or 36" whatever will yeild the same amount of conservation? does that seem right.

I don't know why they even came up with this option, I guess they have strong lobbyists in New Jersey or something

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

How about this, we have all those freaking meetings all over again and vote again but make it 2 fish coastwide at 34" or 36" whatever will yeild the same amount of conservation? does that seem right.

No need for more meetings, they mandated either a 1 fish limit or a 25% reduction. Any state is free to make more than a 25% reduction.

Would you guys be arguing so strenuously if the proposal was to make it 2 fish at 36 inches for everyone?