TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by bobber

I thought I explained myself when I made the statement... "Real charter guys" are those who actually make a living fromtaking people out to fish. not those who take 1 trip a week to help pay for gas/slip/biat (er whatever)- they take charters- yes. But they are really guys with a fishing "habit", and need ways to offset their expenses.

I know- I tried it once too.

having a captains license does not a captain make

There you go Scott! Shore guides and kayakers are out !
Actually this is totally confusing to me because you said if the regulations force you to get another job then that's what you have to do.
And there will be no more "real" charter boats
Now I see your plan
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

There you go Scott! Shore guides and kayakers are out !
Actually this is totally confusing to me because you said if the regulations force you to get another job then that's what you have to do.
And there will be no more "real" charter boats
Now I see your plan
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It IS genius really. I think he had a Regulator somewhere in the 23' range and I have fly fished from his current vessel. No more real charters will open up for him to buy Berger Time, his new 23' regulator on which he takes suckers out once in awhile to fly fish for their 1 measly keeper. Those Jersey boys are all alike. Next I will find out he is a closet cowgirls fan like Crossing-closing Christie.

[bobber]

no keepers for you!


friggin guy..... have him over to your house for dinner once in a while and now he tells people I'm a cross dresser from Jersey

[bobber]

and if there was EVER a shore guide or kayak-guy who truely derived his income from guiding..... I'd buy the guy a beer.

I think I'm pretty safe

[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

There you go Scott! Shore guides and kayakers are out !
Actually this is totally confusing to me because you said if the regulations force you to get another job then that's what you have to do.

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makes things even clearer for me...
here's the solution:

now that we've established that there are "real" charter guys and "not real" charter guys it and appears that it's only a fraction of the "real" charter guys that feel that they need a two fish exception to stay in business we just need to determine who they are, verify that they are them and grant them an exception.....the other option is to give all of the "real" charter guys two fish(many of whom say they don't want two fish but who might be pressured by their clients to keep two fish against their will) along with the "not real" guys who probably don't deserve to have their "clients" get two fish anyway...that would be a waste and unfair

here's what we do.....make it 1@28 for all recs...keeps it nice and simple...easy to remember

"real" charter guys who believe that they need two fish for their clients who fish once a year in order to get them to book trips so that they can remain in business can apply for an exception....

fill out an application...real charter guys will have to meet a threshold for percentage of income derived from chartering (no rich trophy wives subsidizing, trust funds, retirement income or selling fish to your restaurant friends on the side, or using someone else's boat)...this will weed out the "not real" guys pretty quickly.....and simply have the once a year client purchase a second fish tag before the trip(this will provide important data for the future and ensure that clients won't abuse the "real" charter guy's exemption and help solve any possession limit issues that might arise)


seem reasonable?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

makes things even clearer for me...
here's the solution:

now that we've established that there are "real" charter guys and "not real" charter guys it and appears that it's only a fraction of the "real" charter guys that feel that they need a two fish exception to stay in business we just need to determine who they are, verify that they are them and grant them an exception.....the other option is to give all of the "real" charter guys two fish(many of whom say they don't want two fish but who might be pressured by their clients to keep two fish against their will) along with the "not real" guys who probably don't deserve to have their "clients" get two fish anyway...that would be a waste and unfair

here's what we do.....make it 1@28 for all recs...keeps it nice and simple...easy to remember

"real" charter guys who believe that they need two fish for their clients who fish once a year in order to get them to book trips so that they can remain in business can apply for an exception....

fill out an application...real charter guys will have to meet a threshold for percentage of income derived from chartering (no rich trophy wives subsidizing, trust funds, retirement income or selling fish to your restaurant friends on the side, or using someone else's boat)...this will weed out the "not real" guys pretty quickly.....and simply have the once a year client purchase a second fish tag before the trip(this will provide important data for the future and ensure that clients won't abuse the "real" charter guy's exemption and help solve any possession limit issues that might arise)


seem reasonable?

I'm curious if you have ever been on a sixpack charter . Mate maybe ? It's not just the captain that earns money from charters . There's a whole economy that surrounds this business. You sing a different tune in the political form 😀
I can honestly say I have fished off the rocks and in the canal my whole life and I suck at it . I have not had the pleasure ,as many in this thread have , of participating in the massacres at the canal.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm curious if you have ever been on a sixpack charter . Mate maybe ? It's not just the captain that earns money from charters . There's a whole economy that surrounds this business. You sing a different tune in the political form ��
I can honestly say I have fished off the rocks and in the canal my whole life and I suck at it . I have not had the pleasure ,as many in this thread have , of participating in the massacres at the canal.
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sure have...not my favorite way to fish(not a canal guy either)...not sure how my tune has changed..looking for equal treatment for all recs...think the "special interests" need to show an actual need if they want special treatment rather than just giving blanket additional benefit to a segment of the recs(on for-hires) because their representatives scream the loudest or have well placed friends.... but I very much appreciate how hard those guys work in often tough conditions and having the responsibility of the lives and safety of their charters...if i have a "jealousy" it would be over their ability to be on the water frequently. tell me why my solution would not work, there only a couple of caveats, and satisfy all interests and how this economy surrounding the charter business would be adversely affected? I'm happy to cede a second fish(giving you what you ask for) to a "real" client (who doesn't have to opportunity to fish often and might not without a second bass) of a "real" charter (who believes and demonstrates that the second fish is essential to the survival of his business) ...as was pointed out...there's probably lots of pretenders out there who will benefit from two fish who probably shouldn't if there is an exemption granted all charters and it sounds like they're easy to spot... as well as many who say they don't want that second fish but might be or feel obligated

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

sure have...not my favorite way to fish(not a canal guy either)...not sure how my tune has changed..looking for equal treatment for all recs...think the "special interests" need to show an actual need if they want special treatment rather than just giving blanket additional benefit to a segment of the recs(on for-hires) because their representatives scream the loudest or have well placed friends.... but I very much appreciate how hard those guys work in often tough conditions and having the responsibility of the lives and safety of their charters...if i have a "jealousy" it would be over their ability to be on the water frequently. tell me why my solution would not work, there only a couple of caveats, and satisfy all interests and how this economy surrounding the charter business would be adversely affected? I'm happy to cede a second fish(giving you what you ask for) to a "real" client (who doesn't have to opportunity to fish often and might not without a second bass) of a "real" charter (who believes and demonstrates that the second fish is essential to the survival of his business) ...as was pointed out...there's probably lots of pretenders out there who will benefit from two fish who probably shouldn't if there is an exemption granted all charters and it sounds like they're easy to spot... as well as many who say they don't want that second fish but might be or feel obligated

Your a very generous guy being willing to give up one of "your" fish so somebody, who "you" deam worthy , can have a second .
Do you see a problem with that?

I have merely stated that I don't believe that the sky has fallen far enough that it has to be a do or die situation.
As a sidenote… Yesterday was the last day to send in your letters opposing a closure of a huge segment of Stellwagen Bank so it may be set aside for fish "research" only... I'd like to thank all here who sent in their letters opposing the closure .
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

Your a very generous guy being willing to give up one of "your" fish so somebody, who "you" deam worthy , can have a second .
Do you see a problem with that?

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didn't say that...I don't consider them "my" fish...you even make it hard to agree with you

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm happy to cede a second fish(giving you what you ask for) to a "real" client (who doesn't have to opportunity to fish often and might not without a second bass) of a "real" charter (who believes and demonstrates that the second fish is essential to the survival of his business) ...as was pointed out...there's probably lots of pretenders out there who will benefit from two fish who probably shouldn't if there is an exemption granted all charters and it sounds like they're easy to spot... as well as many who say they don't want that second fish but might be or feel obligated

I guess I misinterpreted this .
Kind of just messing with you Scott, at this point, that's what this thread has turned into.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

I guess I misinterpreted this .
Kind of just messing with you Scott, at this point, that's what this thread has turned into.
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i give you credit for hanging in for 20 pages

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

i give you credit for hanging in for 20 pages

It's definitely going to get fun around here if the charter boats are granted two fish 😀
We might have to put up a suicide watch
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