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Old 02-06-2015, 09:43 AM   #1
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Detbuch, that's a heck of a response, difficult to argue with. All I can say is that while I agree Jen bush is not ideal, the country would be significantly better off with him than Hilary. I have a friend who is a libertarian in Virginia. In their senate race last November, the libertarian candidate handed the election to a big government, socialist liberal candidate. My friend made your argument as to why she didn't vote for the moderate republican. I fail to see how that helped her cause. I believe that when social security and Medicare start bouncing checks in 20 years, even msnbc will be forced to concede that Paul Ryan was 100. Percent correct. That could be the death of liberalism for 100 years, because the required fix will force everyone to take notice and think about we got there.
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I'm not saying don't vote for Bush if he wins the nomination. I'm saying that we shouldn't fall prey to fear in selecting a nominee. Doing so just leads to the continuous bleeding of founding principles till eventually the blood of the Constitution is totally drained. Constantly choosing "moderates" is always a partial victory for the opposition as well as a partial loss for constitutional governance. And since the Progressives don't bend, but stick to their principle of government control, they constantly go even further toward their goal rather than moderating or "coming toward the middle." They don't accept partial victory for their opponents, and certainly don't accept partial defeats for themselves. That's why and how they succeed. If they were to concede some flaw in their ideology, coupled with the prevailing failure to deliver their utopian dream, the emperor's clothes would be seen as the naked truth--an imperious system that strips freedom and prosperity from individuals and delivers those to an all-consuming State. So the Progressives cannot admit a chink in their armor. They cannot bend, or "moderate." Rather, they must always convince you that, though things may seem to be getting worse, it is only because they haven't been given the absolute power to make things better. That they constantly have to fight against the "conservative" boogieman whose mission is to enslave you for the benefit of the filthy rich.

And if you constantly bend, or "moderate" in their direction, you will eventually get there yourself. So, go for the gusto in the primaries. Don't be afraid of losing. If you are, you will surely lose. If not all at once, then little by little.
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:45 AM   #2
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I'm not saying don't vote for Bush if he wins the nomination. I'm saying that we shouldn't fall prey to fear in selecting a nominee.
Agreed. But the time to do that is in the primaries, and once a nominee emerges, we all need to support him, even if it means plugging you rnose a bit as you do so.
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Old 02-06-2015, 11:14 AM   #3
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So NEBE...U R saying the Gop is controlled by the billionaire class....U mention the Koch Brothers...your buddy Harry Reid brings up the brothers.

U must wear blinders Reid and the democratic party have more Billionaire donors then the Repubs....Dems cast the repubs as the party of big money, but yet the dems rely more on the rich....just to name a few....Tom Steyers...George Soros and Mike Bloomberg....so the dems R controlled by the left billionaires....take the blinders off....

"When its not about money,it's all about money."...
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