TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS? - Page 26 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Raider Ronnie · 02-19-2015, 09:56 AM

JESUS WILL SAVE YOU.
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MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 10:01 AM

Afraid that ship has sailed.
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MakoMike · 02-19-2015, 10:44 AM

The new commercial tag requirements should go a long way to stopping the commercial sale of recreational caught fish.

DZ · 02-19-2015, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

The new commercial tag requirements should go a long way to stopping the commercial sale of recreational caught fish.

I agree Mike - also need to write it into law that restaurants that serve striped bass must keep tag numbers of all fish purchased. Get some volunteers from each town to look for restaurants that are serving striped bass and ask to see the tag numbers. No tag number - they get reported to authorities. Restaurants need a share of the blame. Be easy to shame them on social media/review sites.

MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 11:43 AM

Striped bass in restaurants I would guess goes by many other names.
There are just so many Chinese joints !
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Roger · 02-19-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours

i'm glad for the risaa membership survey, better late than never. i'm sure they received a lot well well deserved flak from members.

Me too. I was very disappointed in their position, the rationale which sounded either naive or manipulative.

I suppose it could still be a ruse, but I hope not. RISAA does have some history of reversing it's original position based on additional info/comments from it's members.

thefishingfreak · 02-19-2015, 11:55 AM

You guys are accusing ALL the people who support 2 fish while on a charter, of being Poachers.
"The only reason for the extra fish is to sell it"!(the fish itself)Either legally, or thru the back door of some restaurant or shady fishmonger." Therefore in your minds blocking the charter boats from getting 2 fish is, in essence, blocking all this poaching and justified.

Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 12:07 PM

One persons opinion does not constitute group thought.
Stop trying to read between the lines here. Any objective person who sees this thread would most likely come to the conclusion that most opinions here are simply to reduce the catch to one fish for the sake of conservation, and the future well-being of the species.
Conversely,the group who is lobbying for a 2 fish limit is simply being greedy and cares more about lining their pockets than it does the future of the striped bass.
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buckman · 02-19-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

One persons opinion does not constitute group thought.
Stop trying to read between the lines here. Any objective person who sees this thread would most likely come to the conclusion that most opinions here are simply to reduce the catch to one fish for the sake of conservation, and the future well-being of the species.
Conversely,the group who is lobbying for a 2 fish limit is simply being greedy and cares more about lining their pockets than it does the future of the striped bass.
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That's exactly what Mike said !

You think charter guys that want 2 fish don't care about the bass ? Why does everything have to be such an extreme??
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MakoMike · 02-19-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

One persons opinion does not constitute group thought.
Stop trying to read between the lines here. Any objective person who sees this thread would most likely come to the conclusion that most opinions here are simply to reduce the catch to one fish for the sake of conservation, and the future well-being of the species.
Conversely,the group who is lobbying for a 2 fish limit is simply being greedy and cares more about lining their pockets than it does the future of the striped bass.
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So what you are really saying is that you don't like the ASMFC's determination that a 25% reduction is warranted and you want a 31% reduction?

How do you feel about NY's proposal which will allow two fish for everyone?

Raider Ronnie · 02-19-2015, 02:17 PM

If so many fish are being sold in back door of restaurants as so many hwre are suggesting goes on i find it amazing in this day and age with everyone with a cell phone and taking video I've yet to see someone post a video
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Patno6 · 02-19-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what you are really saying is that you don't like the ASMFC's determination that a 25% reduction is warranted and you want a 31% reduction?

don't forget, they also claimed that the 25% reduction only had a 50% chance of working. By my math, a 31% reduction is simply a slightly better chance of getting any rebound at all.

Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

That's exactly what Mike said !

You think charter guys that want 2 fish don't care about the bass ? Why does everything have to be such an extreme??
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I did not say they do not care about the bass. They care about them so much they want to kill twice as many (haha)I just think they would rather make a buck now on their meat rather than err on the side of conservation.

Tell me where that statement is flawed
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Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

If so many fish are being sold in back door of restaurants as so many hwre are suggesting goes on i find it amazing in this day and age with everyone with a cell phone and taking video I've yet to see someone post a video
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Not too many videos of drivers sleeping in their plow truck either Ron. That must mean it doesn't happen.
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Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what you are really saying is that you don't like the ASMFC's determination that a 25% reduction is warranted and you want a 31% reduction?

How do you feel about NY's proposal which will allow two fish for everyone?

What I am really saying is exactly what I wrote. Don't try to interpret,comprehension is what you need to work on.

NY.?
Haha GayRod
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buckman · 02-19-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I did not say they do not care about the bass. They care about them so much they want to kill twice as many (haha)I just think they would rather make a buck now on their meat rather than err on the side of conservation.

Tell me where that statement is flawed
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There are different levels of concern based on one's interpretation of the urgency of the situation. Some people base their decisions on the whole picture and not just one, completely pessimistic analysis of it. It's not the charters are not concerned about the striped bass. To fish at 33 inches is a 25% reduction in their minds and in mine.
It's kind a like hating on the guy that doesn't drive a Prius because you don't really need a big car and you can drive a Prius . It's an inconvenient truth.
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Raider Ronnie · 02-19-2015, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Not too many videos of drivers sleeping in their plow truck either Ron. That must mean it doesn't happen.
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Chris
You're missing the point.
If some say that's what goes on and see it in person, film it on your phone and post it.
And if you want to film y trucks I'm at exit 8 on rt 95 every storm.
I take my orders from Ma. DOT supervisors when its time to rest.
If you want I'll even put you in touch the MA DOT if you have some equipment to be hired.
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MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

There are different levels of concern based on one's interpretation of the urgency of the situation. Some people base their decisions on the whole picture and not just one, completely pessimistic analysis of it. It's not the charters are not concerned about the striped bass. To fish at 33 inches is a 25% reduction in their minds and in mine.

It's kind a like hating on the guy that doesn't drive a Prius because you don't really need a big car and you can drive a Prius . It's an inconvenient truth.
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You already admitted you can't catch fish so your equivalency is probably very high. 😬
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Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Chris
You're missing the point.
If some say that's what goes on and see it in person, film it on your phone and post it.
And if you want to film y trucks I'm at exit 8 on rt 95 every storm.
I take my orders from Ma. DOT supervisors when its time to rest.
If you want I'll even put you in touch the MA DOT if you have some equipment to be hired.
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So....
What point did I miss?
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buckman · 02-19-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MAKAI

You already admitted you can't catch fish so your equivalency is probably very high. 😬
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I'm listening to how you guys have been catching for the last few years it sounds like 2 @ 33 would be 100% reduction. You should go for that . 😬
I think there's a lot of hypocrisy going on here to be honest.
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Sea Dangles · 02-19-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman

There are different levels of concern based on one's interpretation of the urgency of the situation. Some people base their decisions on the whole picture and not just one, completely pessimistic analysis of it. It's not the charters are not concerned about the striped bass. To fish at 33 inches is a 25% reduction in their minds and in mine.
It's kind a like hating on the guy that doesn't drive a Prius because you don't really need a big car and you can drive a Prius . It's an inconvenient truth.
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My guess is I see a lot more of the whole picture than you do. Maybe not...I don't begrudge any body from trying to grab as much as they can. Seems like the way of the (third) world nowadays. Discussian can be enlightening for those with an open mind. My experiences are not based on one harbor , seldom does a season go by when I have not fished from NY to ME for bass. I know they are there, i also know they are in decline
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MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 05:03 PM

Just having a little fun with you Buckman.
For years fishing was almost a no brainer at many spots.
Drag wire, catch fish. But the last few years you have to work a little harder at it, adapt to different methods. Vertical jig, live line, eels, varying it up a bit.
At the race, especially after mid July they can be difficult to find. Wasn't always that way. Mid summer at Billingsgate is just about boat less now. The Elizabeth islands used to be almost a lock all summer. Not so much the last few seasons. Something is up and who knows for sure what it is.
You can probably gleen from anything I posted that I don't buy the science line. A 50% chance is a coin toss.
I trust my eyes and those of a lot of people I know that have been out there a very long time. Been through this once and it would really suck to do it again.

What harm can come from a very conservative approach ?
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thefishingfreak · 02-19-2015, 05:43 PM

If you don't buy the 25% science how can you buy the 31% science?
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MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 05:49 PM

Don't buy either if it's going to be what amounts to a guess.
It reminds me of the imaginary numbers concept from grade school. A simple one size fits all is probably easier to get real data from anyway.
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Redsoxticket · 02-19-2015, 06:29 PM

We know that public comment is extended until February 26th then why is it that RISAA is going to forward the public comment after or during the fishing show which is Feb 27,28 Mar 1st..
Below is a cut and paste of part of the RISAA link above (monkey survey)
Public Input at the fishing show will be available by signing either of two sheets, representing the two options. This will also be brought forward to the R.I. Marine Fisheries Council.
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Raider Ronnie · 02-19-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So....
What point did I miss?
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1, If you want to come take pictures or film of us sleeping in my truck you're more than welcome. I posted where we stage when not in the act of plowing Not breaking any laws. It's part of the gig. We sleep/rest when we are told to by dot foremen. Typically when storm is in a lull or when been at it for 12-24 hrs and sleep is necessary.
2, Everyone here knows selling fish on the black market is illegal. More than a few here are suggesting charter captains do it and have seen with their own eyes, they they say a call to the EPOs is a waste of time. I say if they see it, film it and post away.

buckman · 02-19-2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MAKAI

Just having a little fun with you Buckman.
For years fishing was almost a no brainer at many spots.
Drag wire, catch fish. But the last few years you have to work a little harder at it, adapt to different methods. Vertical jig, live line, eels, varying it up a bit.
At the race, especially after mid July they can be difficult to find. Wasn't always that way. Mid summer at Billingsgate is just about boat less now. The Elizabeth islands used to be almost a lock all summer. Not so much the last few seasons. Something is up and who knows for sure what it is.
You can probably gleen from anything I posted that I don't buy the science line. A 50% chance is a coin toss.
I trust my eyes and those of a lot of people I know that have been out there a very long time. Been through this once and it would really suck to do it again.

What harm can come from a very conservative approach ?
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I absolutely appreciate your points .
Fisheries do change over time.
Hell we used to tunafish with hand lines and 400 pound mono.
The fish have gotten smarter, the bait has moved and the ecosystem has changed.
I'm not really a gambling man so I usually error on the side of caution.
But that caution runs both ways.
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MAKAI · 02-19-2015, 07:31 PM

Apropos of nothing.
Regarding gambling, by W C Fields.
"Horse sense is the thing that a horse has that keeps it from betting on people."

Ain't that the truth!
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brianmoc · 02-19-2015, 10:00 PM

why 1 at 28? thanks these guys and yes they are fishing from the shore where 80% of the fish are killed! boat captains? well sorry hope more guys from the shore are not like this; and this is not even the canal.

look in the rocks! 1,2,3, and 3 on the shore with one fishermen and yes they threw 1 32 back so 7 fish one guy.

scottw · 02-20-2015, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

We know that public comment is extended until February 26th then why is it that RISAA is going to forward the public comment after or during the fishing show which is Feb 27,28 Mar 1st..
Below is a cut and paste of part of the RISAA link above (monkey survey)
Public Input at the fishing show will be available by signing either of two sheets, representing the two options. This will also be brought forward to the R.I. Marine Fisheries Council.
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the RI Marine Fisheries Council Meets on March 6th I believe to make the final decision...that would give them time to modify their official stance again