NY Goes 1 fish @28

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

From the most reputable source I know, Patrick

thefishingfreak made me blush

I think the most interesting (& sad) political aspect about the RI decision is that this is a straight up face off between RISAA & the RI Party & Charterboat Assn (aka Steve Medeiros vs Rick Belevance)

This is EXACTLY why I fight with all my might against split regs/split modes. Instead of having the two most powerful recreational leaders in RI working together in a world where recs are treated poorly to begin with; we have a nasty political war amongst our own. The big boat commercial and extreme environmental advocates are at home laughing their asses off at this. I pray that after this SB business is over the community gets back together as we need to be united on a myriad if other issues.

[piemma]

Has RI made a decision public?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

I think the most interesting (& sad) political aspect about the RI decision is that this is a straight up face off between RISAA & the RI Party & Charterboat Assn (aka Steve Medeiros vs Rick Belevance)



I pray that after this SB business is over the community gets back together as we need to be united on a myriad if other issues.

this is odd to me as Medieros and the RISSA hierarchy appeared determined to adopt the position of Belevance and his association throughout the process...if the RISSA membership hadn't screamed at the top of their lungs, this would have been a done deal long ago.....ultimately, Belevance gave Medieros &Co the finger when they offered the compromise involving captain and mate fish and maybe that is where the rift lies but I assumed the haggling now was at the next level trying to not look incompetent, or perhaps less incompetent... after allowing neighboring states the opportunity to make them look completely incompetent, out of touch and corrupt?


I do agree that the momentum has to be carried into the other issues, primarily enforcement, which I think all sides can agree on and where there was always common ground throughout....in the open letter that I cited from a RI for hire he threatened to "drop many dimes"... if RI went 1@ all modes...I hope he was/is true to his word....enforcement needs to be directed by the eyes on the water and at the docks and ramps, if they were willing to help with data collection they could certainly help with enforcement on what they consider their workplace and private/shore recs need to do the same going forward or gains will be meaningless....the problem is that it is pervasive and essentially generally accepted as part of the culture, not just with bass but with most species.....this is from the most recent URI Alumni Magazine

[likwid]

Originally Posted by scottw

in the open letter that I cited from a RI for hire he threatened to "drop many dimes"... if RI went 1@ all modes...I hope he was/is true to his word....

Its funny how many people are heavily in favor of conservation, yet are friends with so many guys poaching.

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by likwid

Its funny how many people are heavily in favor of conservation, yet are friends with so many guys poaching.

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[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

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[Slipknot]

I don't think it's funny IMO

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by likwid

Its funny how many people are heavily in favor of conservation, yet are friends with so many guys poaching.

Knowing some one (friend) and Participation are not one in the same .

But when environmental police board boats with fish before the start of the commercial day and all the do is take the fish thats the injustice

it should be an instant forfeiture of your commercial license for 5 years and a per fish fine .. there is no deterrent only incentive they just go out the next night the odds are in their favor never to see a environmental boat the rest of the season

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is odd to me as Medieros and the RISSA hierarchy appeared determined to adopt the position of Belevance and his association throughout the process

I was not in the committee meetings or involved in any way with the internal process of how RISAA chose positions on either the 2014 ASMFC SB Addendum or the 2015 RI State Regs for SB. That being said I can say with confidence that things are frequently not as they appear.

One of the most difficult responsibilities an officer of any organization has to face, is to represent the positions of the organization as opposed to his or her own. Its a hard thing to do. Many times while representing MSBA, the New England Council's Recreational Advisory Panel and other groups on which I serve, I have had to propose, advocate for & defend positions on issues that I not only questioned, but in some cases were 100% the opposite of what I felt was the right thing to do.

RISAA is a complex organization with an individual membership, affiliated organizations etc etc. RISAA has boards and committees with specific responsibilities and has an internal process which I respect. My understanding is that the process of taking positions on both SB actions caused internal struggle and I for one appreciate leadership that allows an organization to work through the struggle in order to best represent its membership.

Simply put, Steve Medeiros and I do not always agree however on the subject of striped bass conservation I consider Steve an ally.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

I was not in the committee meetings or involved in any way with the internal process of how RISAA chose positions on either the 2014 ASMFC SB Addendum or the 2015 RI State Regs for SB. That being said I can say with confidence that things are frequently not as they appear.this has become crystal clear

One of the most difficult responsibilities an officer of any organization has to face, is to represent the positions of the organization as opposed to his or her own. Its a hard thing to do. Many times while representing MSBA, the New England Council's Recreational Advisory Panel and other groups on which I serve, I have had to propose, advocate for & defend positions on issues that I not only questioned, but in some cases were 100% the opposite of what I felt was the right thing to do.

RISAA is a complex organization with an individual membership, affiliated organizations etc etc. RISAA has boards and committees with specific responsibilities and has an internal process which I respect. My understanding is that the process of taking positions on both SB actions caused internal struggle and I for one appreciate leadership that allows an organization to work through the struggle in order to best represent its membership.

Simply put, Steve Medeiros and I do not always agree however on the subject of striped bass conservation I consider Steve an ally.

I understand this Patrick and I appreciate your knowledge and dedication, I agree that it is sad if the RI decision is now as you describe....I had some confidence that it was being made by others and not simply Bellevance vs. Medeiros

if the public comment period not been extended and had the RISSA letter not gone out at the last hour, again changing their official position, I don't think you would/could be considering Steve an "ally(in his capacity) on this issue" as they were supporting option #2(albeit with a caveat)....it would not be much of a heavyweight battle between these two right now deciding the fate of RI...perhaps a love fest

I'd like to think that the "delay" is a result of the outpouring of sentiment from the public to the various officials which I know to be significant, rather than a turf war between the RISSA president and the head of one of organizations it claims to represent, the late shift in RISSA position was clearly a result of members making their thoughts heard...these were the opposing forces throughout...without...this would likely be a done deal....where is Ms. Coit and the RIMFC in all of this? I thought they were running things?