Sanctuary cities

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We have jumped the shark as a nation. .

The same nation that elected Ike, now elected this guy twice? Jumped the shark, indeed.

Megyn Kelly made a great point last night about the fact that Obama hasn't commented on this case, when he chooses to comment in situations like his pal up at Harvard disobeying cops, and Ferguson, and other events that pander to his base and thus deserve the attention of POTUS. This family is showing nothing but dignity and grace in the aftermath of this. After the funeral, they took all the flowers, and passed them out at convalescent homes. That doesn't warrant a syllable from Obama, when the death can be traced directly to the feds willingness to let cities ignore our laws? Yet maybe if the family chose to set fires and riot and loot stores, maybe then Obama would respond?

John R, what is all this leading to? Combine the complete breakdown of rational thought on things like this, with the looming collapse of SS and Medicare? What is this country going to look like in 20 years?

What are we doing to our kids?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The same nation that elected Ike, now elected this guy twice? Jumped the shark, indeed

John R, what is all this leading to? Combine the complete breakdown of rational thought on things like this, with the looming collapse of SS and Medicare? What is this country going to look like in 20 years?

What are we doing to our kids?

I don't know, other than to say we will all be "equal" and divided as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two.

I cannot see many possible outcomes other than some kind of massive nation state takeover of everything if we continue on the path we are on. We will be Greece or Aregentina except we will OWE close to the WORLDS GDP if we do not change course soon and hard. Here is a 2 year old chart: http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfile...prosperity.pdf


All the "Doomsday" issues such as National Debt, unchecked illegal immigration (I am all for legal immigration), gangs, terrorism, global instability in markets, and conflict (ISIS, Eastern Europe, SCS/WestPAC, Iran and a Persian Gulf States Nuke Arms Race).

People are either not gaming out the next 2-3 decades, are smelling Unicorn Farts and Double Rainbows, or see this as an acceptable end state.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't know, other than to say we will all be "equal" and divided as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two.

I cannot see many possible outcomes other than some kind of massive nation state takeover of everything if we continue on the path we are on. We will be Greece or Aregentina except we will OWE close to the WORLDS GDP if we do not change course soon and hard. Here is a 2 year old chart: http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfile...prosperity.pdf


All the "Doomsday" issues such as National Debt, unchecked illegal immigration (I am all for legal immigration), gangs, terrorism, global instability in markets, and conflict (ISIS, Eastern Europe, SCS/WestPAC, Iran and a Persian Gulf States Nuke Arms Race).

People are either not gaming out the next 2-3 decades, are smelling Unicorn Farts and Double Rainbows, or see this as an acceptable end state.

"as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two. "

Have you seen what the Chinese stock market is doing? Not good.

I hear that any nation ending in "-aguay" is agood bet. Paraguay, Uraguay, etc.

[Fly Rod]

WE R NOT UNITED JIM...
If we were, the country would B a much better place......U can thank the communist, socialist democratic, liberal, progressive left....the feds should step in and refuse these sanctuaries federal money.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

WE R NOT UNITED JIM...
If we were, the country would B a much better place......U can thank the communist, socialist democratic, liberal, progressive left....the feds should step in and refuse these sanctuaries federal money.

That pendulum swings in two directions as far as divide goes. Total lack of concession by both sides is the killer in the crowd.

If the Feds step in and remove aid due to Sanctuary Cities doesn't that also lend itself to also dropping funding due to any legal matter where a state is out of compliance with federal law? Could become a slippery slope. For example let's say the executive branch declares through executive order some inane federal law that states are expected to adopt or face loss of federal funding in certain areas of state budget. Sounds almost dictatorial considering there could be a majority of a certain leaning group on the SCOTUS. You set legal precedent based on Sanctuary Cities and what else could follow?

I think the idea of harboring criminals via "sanctuary" is beyond ridiculous. But the law has to be written to protect the rights of those it is intent on protecting with out opening a door to future violations of our rights as citizens.
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[Fly Rod]

In house committee yesterday TSA says they will not hold back federal funding from sanctuaries....so much for that....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Sounds almost dictatorial Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Yes, it is dictatorial. It's also the only way to run a country. The alternative is anarchy, where state sare free to choose which federal laws they comply with, and which they don't.

These are duly constituted federal laws, dealing with issues of national security. Liberal cities are choosing to ignore these laws, and people are dying because of it.

What would happen if, for example, Dallas Texas decided they weren't going to recognize gay marriages? You think Obama would allow that?

Abraham Lincoln took the dictatorial approach during the Civil War, and he is usually considered a hero for that.

I cannot believe that we cannot agree on low hanging fruit such as this. Cities can let felons walk around free, in spite of federal laws to turn these people over to the ICE. I literally cannot believe that our divides run this deep.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two. "

Have you seen what the Chinese stock market is doing? Not good.

Even more reason for the PRC to want to collect, no? Or worse, what does a country barely containing 1.5 billion people do when internally things go to crap? They unite/nationalize people against external entities. Interesting times.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I hear that any nation ending in "-aguay" is agood bet. Paraguay, Uraguay, etc.

I thought I heard something about 'Guays" being able to form unions, mergers....or something along those lines....

[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two. "

Have you seen what the Chinese stock market is doing? Not good....

Ye, and when they start calling all their debts to cover mounting losses, who do you think they will be coming after?????

Kind of like saying the money the US borrowed was "payable on demand" and they may be "demanding" payment soon!!!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

Ye, and when they start calling all their debts to cover mounting losses, who do you think they will be coming after?????

Kind of like saying the money the US borrowed was "payable on demand" and they may be "demanding" payment soon!!!

What China has is long term bonds of ours, they can't call that on demand, thank God.

But it also means they can't buy as many of our bonds going forward, which means the demand of our bonds goes down, which means the price of our bonds goes down, which means the interest rate on those bonds goes up...all of which means, it is about to become harder for us to borrow money.