Carson may have lost me last night

[Raven]

i think he just lost the muslim vote

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Raven

i think he just lost the muslim vote

You bet he did!

Personally, I'd rather have a true Muslim than a phony Christian (like Obama) or a phony Catholic (like Biden).

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You bet he did!

Personally, I'd rather have a true Muslim than a phony Christian (like Obama) or a phony Catholic (like Biden).

Biden is a phony Catholic, why, b/c he is pro-Choice? You disagree with your church on Gay marriage, are you a phony as well? My wife is Catholic (while raised it, I don't associate as a Catholic any longer) but is not devout, she goes to church with the kids, but not every week. She is pro-choice, but would still identify with many of the teachings of the church. Just because someone isn't whole hog, doesn't make them a 'phony', or does it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Biden is a phony Catholic, why, b/c he is pro-Choice? You disagree with your church on Gay marriage, are you a phony as well? My wife is Catholic (while raised it, I don't associate as a Catholic any longer) but is not devout, she goes to church with the kids, but not every week. She is pro-choice, but would still identify with many of the teachings of the church. Just because someone isn't whole hog, doesn't make them a 'phony', or does it?

Yes, Biden is a phony Catholic because he is pro-abortion (pro-choice is a bullsh*t term, because we aren't talking baout whether women can choose to like the Yanks or the Red Sox, correct?).

The Catholic Church has "binding beliefs" and "non-binding beliefs". Binding beliefs mean just what it says...you cannot disagree with those beliefs and be Catholic. They are stated in the Catechism. For example, you must believe Jesus was the son of God, you must believe you should go to Church on Sunday, and you also must believe that life begins at conception.

Gay marriage (like saying the rosary, and opposing the death penalty) are non-binding beliefs. If the Church makes opposition to gay marriage a binding belief, then I would find another religion, or change my stance I guess.

You cannot be pro-abortion and be a Catholic in good standing. Read that again if you wish. Or ask a bishop, as I have done. Being pro-abortion (unlike being pro gay marriage) is sufficient cause for excommunication. They won't kick you out of mass, but you are not supposed to receive Communion, and priests can (and often do) refuse to give it to you even if you ask for it.

The question is, why would Biden (or Nancy Pelosi) call themselves Catholic, when they disagree with the most fundamental beliefs? Here's the answer - they are unprincipled whores who will say or do anything to get elected, they have no principles whatsoever except the lust to win elections.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The question is, why would Biden (or Nancy Pelosi) call themselves Catholic, when they disagree with the most fundamental beliefs? Here's the answer - they are unprincipled whores who will say or do anything to get elected, they have no principles whatsoever except the lust to win elections.

Maybe it is pandering; many politicians do this using religion. Maybe they grew up Catholic, and agree with and believe most of the dogma and teachings of Christ, but disagree on this issue, even though it is binding. I wonder what the honest numbers are among current Catholics and this issue, particularly under 40 y/o. How many actually know it is binding.

Thanks for the lesson, I wasn't aware of the binding vs 'optional'

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Maybe it is pandering; many politicians do this using religion.

that's called blasphemy...which is really, really bad...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Maybe it is pandering; many politicians do this using religion. Maybe they grew up Catholic, and agree with and believe most of the dogma and teachings of Christ, but disagree on this issue, even though it is binding. I wonder what the honest numbers are among current Catholics and this issue, particularly under 40 y/o. How many actually know it is binding.

Thanks for the lesson, I wasn't aware of the binding vs 'optional'

"Maybe it is pandering; many politicians do this using religion"

Not the honest ones. If you want to get the NAACP vote, that's fine, but you can't also seek the endorsement of the Klan.

Groucho Marx once said "these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have other principles".

"How many actually know it is binding."

Not enough!

[scottw]

it's not just religion that these politicians pretend about then demonstrate the opposite...or demonstrate then pretend the opposite....religion is just an easy target these days..actually...always has been...politics is just another religion but with an earthly god, probably Satan....

VDH with a great summation of this re: Queen Clinton

the real problem lies in the enablers

"Why is Ms. Clinton railing about big money? If she is really willing to change the Constitution to end the Big Money/Big Politics nexus, she might do two things. One, she could scold Barack Obama for being the first presidential candidate in the history of campaign-financing laws to have refused public funds, with the limiting and transparent protocols that they require, in order to be freed to raise the largest privately funded war chest in presidential campaign history — as well as to set records as the greatest recipient of Wall Street cash. Nothing has been more deleterious to the progressive idea of barring the piling up of unlimited money for presidential races."

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/424372/print

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Biden is a phony Catholic, why, b/c he is pro-Choice? You disagree with your church on Gay marriage, are you a phony as well? My wife is Catholic (while raised it, I don't associate as a Catholic any longer) but is not devout, she goes to church with the kids, but not every week. She is pro-choice, but would still identify with many of the teachings of the church. Just because someone isn't whole hog, doesn't make them a 'phony', or does it?

Bryan, everyone who sits in the pews on Sunday s flawed, none more than me. Unlike your wife (presumably), and even unlike Biden, I have actually been excommunicated. For reasons of planning and logisticsm when I married my wife, we couldn't do it in a Catholic Church, so we originally got married in a Congragational Church. 3 months later, we had the Catholic ceremony. During those 3 months, I was told I could not receive Communion (our priest at the time was a very strict, old-school guy) because as far as the Chruch was concerned, we were living in sin.

What I mean is, I have no ill will towards normal people who are less-than-perfect, because we all are. But I have a great deal of contempt for politicians of both parties, who talk out of both sides of their mouth, for personal gain. I hate politicians who claim to be Catholic on Sunday so they can get that vote, and then talk about ho wgreta abortion is on Monday, so they can get the Catholic vote. I respect anyone who find sthe time to get their kids to church on Sundays, which isn't easy these days. My contempt is for politicians who will say whatever the given audience wnats to hear, not to people like me or your wife. Sorry if you interpreted it in a way other than it was intended.

[Fly Rod]

according to the pew foundation there R about 0.09% of adult muslims in the U S very small majority....will not hurt Carson over all since most vote democratic anyway....

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

according to the pew foundation there R about 0.09% of adult muslims in the U S very small majority....will not hurt Carson over all since most vote democratic anyway....

Add that to the Gay, transgender, Mexicans, other minorities, people who thing the Repubs. have become full of hate, etc. and others various candidates have insulted and pretty soon you have real numbers.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

according to the pew foundation there R about 0.09% of adult muslims in the U S very small majority....will not hurt Carson over all since most vote democratic anyway....

Correct, that won't hurt him much, although it will give the democrats a whole new way to attack him if they choose.

I think Carson is done, and I think Trump is on the way down. For God's sake, the Pope insisted the war in Afghanistan was necessary.

I don't know what to think about Carly Fiorina. She got fired from Hewlett-Packard, correct?