Obama, again with the cheap insults

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The literacy rate of young females in Iran is 98.5%. 60% of university students in Saudi Arabia are women, in fact there are 8 Muslim nations in the Middle East where more women than men go to University.

The bigger problem with women in many Islamic nations is that they can't find work for their skills.

Oh, and name one Muslim country where growing a beard is mandatory.

Conclusion = Jim clueless.

(1)What about Hilary saying that Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism? If she believes that Muslims are no more linked to contemporary terrorists than the Amish, is she of sound enough mind to be POTUS?

(2) Would you call Muslims 'tolerant'? I used hyperbole about literacy (though literacy rates for women are a lot lower than your statistic in Iraq and Afghanistan). Would you describe Muslim nations, in general, as "tolerant" of Christians, Jews, or homosexuals? They're not even tolerant towards each other for that matter.

I await your thoughtful reply.

Also, what do you think of your hero's comments that everyone who wants to be thoughtful about refugees, isn't as "tough" as he is? Of course, he hurls those insults in a forum where he cannot be challenged. How very brave.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

(1)What about Hilary saying that Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism? If she believes that Muslims are no more linked to contemporary terrorists than the Amish, is she of sound enough mind to be POTUS?

She didn't say that. You should watch her full comments instead of a soundbite off of Drudge or your girlfriend on FOX.

(2) Would you call Muslims 'tolerant'? I used hyperbole about literacy (though literacy rates for women are a lot lower than your statistic in Iraq and Afghanistan). Would you describe Muslim nations, in general, as "tolerant" of Christians, Jews, or homosexuals? They're not even tolerant towards each other for that matter.

Tolerance is relative. Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone, but the Cold War and other power influences have certainly shaped the situation today. To describe Muslim nations "in general" for anything would be a great disservice.

Also, what do you think of your hero's comments that everyone who wants to be thoughtful about refugees, isn't as "tough" as he is? Of course, he hurls those insults in a forum where he cannot be challenged. How very brave.

He can and is being challenged. I think the GOP is using the issue to score points and pulling some Dems along with them. Obama should and is pushing back, I don't have an issue with this.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

She didn't say that. You should watch her full comments instead of a soundbite off of Drudge or your girlfriend on FOX.


Tolerance is relative. Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone, but the Cold War and other power influences have certainly shaped the situation today. To describe Muslim nations "in general" for anything would be a great disservice.


He can and is being challenged. I think the GOP is using the issue to score points and pulling some Dems along with them. Obama should and is pushing back, I don't have an issue with this.

"She didn't say that"

Dozens of outlets are attributing that exact quote to her. If you have proof that she didn't say that, can you share it please?

"Tolerance is relative"

I don't know what that means. So that clerk in Kansas City is relatively tolerant? Or do only bigots who are sympathetic to the left, get called "relatively tolerant"?

"Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone"

Tell that to the Israelis. That may be the stupidest thing you have ever typed. Doesn't Islam mean "submission"? When have they ever celebrated diversity?

"To describe Muslim nations "in general" for anything would be a great disservice"

OK, I see. So only liberals get to make generalizations, like when Obama said conservatives "don't seem so tough to me". Or when Hilary says that conservatives are waging "a war on women", I don't recall you being opposed to her using generalizations.

Sorry, what's good for the goose, especially when it's true. The vast majority of Muslim nations, aren't great places to be a Christian, a Jew, a homosexual, or a woman. I am truly sorry if that fact makes Hilary look like the moron she is, but it's still a fact.

"I don't have an issue with this (Obama's using petty insults)."

I for one am shocked that you defend him. In equally shocking news, scientists announced today that water is wet.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"She didn't say that"

Dozens of outlets are attributing that exact quote to her. If you have proof that she didn't say that, can you share it please?

Take 3 seconds to search for the actual speech, you can watch the video. If taking a single line out of context is your idea of journalism I guess that could explain quite a lot...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Take 3 seconds to search for the actual speech, you can watch the video. If taking a single line out of context is your idea of journalism I guess that could explain quite a lot...

I'm pretty sure we've offered you the opportunity to watch the video with the exact words of the speeches/statements on many occasions where she and others like Obama lied...and you claimed she/they didn't mean what she/they actually said....sooooo...which is it???

must be relative

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm pretty sure we've offered you the opportunity to watch the video with the exact words of the speeches/statements on many occasions where she and others like Obama lied...and you claimed she/they didn't mean what she/they actually said....sooooo...which is it???

must be relative

Name one.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Name one.

When it was alleged Bill was cheating, she said that he wasn't cheating, but rather, he was the victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

She said she came under sniper fire.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Tolerance is relative. the left proves this on a daily basis



Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone

I know right...and historically most leftists fancy themselves most tolerant too...particularly when in a room full of leftists, of course, when they leave that room...tolerance becomes relative...


I'll give you credit, you can sure regurgitate the talking points, especially the ones that make absolutely no sense


you should go easy on the cheap insults though, you sound like Obama and Trump

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Tolerance is relative. Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone,.

Spence, I know you will rarely answer guestions, but please tell me where you found this fact and it's source.

These people have been intolerant within themselves and others who don't believe the same as themselves
and at war with each other for thousands of years.
Educate me with your references and comparisons.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, I know you will rarely answer guestions, but please tell me where you found this fact and it's source.

These people have been intolerant within themselves and others who don't believe the same as themselves
and at war with each other for thousands of years.
Educate me with your references and comparisons.

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

worst answer...or non-answer... ever

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like 👍🏻
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like ����
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"showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily"

Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...

Can't make this up. I dare you to try.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...

Can't make this up. I dare you to try.

The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence. When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either.

Violence tends to also be relative to politics.

You should read Karen Armstrong's "Fields of Blood."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

"I don't think it's a simple answer"

Then why, when you needed to defend Hilary's crazy comments, did you provide this simple answer..."Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone"

When you wanted to show that Hilary was correct, you sure made it sound simple.

The Muslims are tolerant. Tell that to the Jews and the homosexuals who live there. I guess you can't tell it to the homosexuals, as they might be extinct there by now, what with all the genocide tolerance and all.

"based on a lot of reading"

What did you read? The MSNBC guide of how to respond to thoughtful people?