Brave speech in Swedish parliament about Islam

[Nebe]

Let's see. I'd take all our troops out of the Middle East and close our bases there. I'd tell Israel they are on their own and I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.
I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
But to be fueled by hate and blind ignorance due to who's God is better is as ignorant as two school kids fighting. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
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We don't give them anything?

The male shooter was born here, he had a job, provided by the taxpayers, paying $70k a year. Last year, when his wife was pregnant, the office threw them a baby shower. SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THE SHOWER, WERE MURDERED.

These people are satanic, brutal, sociopaths. You think you can make them lay down their arms by being nice?

You grandfather fought at Tarawa, right? Did you ever say to him, "why are you killing the Japanese? Just remove the naval blockade so they can thrive economically? Make hugs, not war, grandpa"?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We don't give them anything?

The male shooter was born here, he had a job, provided by the taxpayers, paying $70k a year. Last year, when his wife was pregnant, the office threw them a baby shower. SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THE SHOWER, WERE MURDERED.

These people are satanic, brutal, sociopaths. You think you can make them lay down their arms by being nice?

You grandfather fought at Tarawa, right? Did you ever say to him, "why are you killing the Japanese? Just remove the naval blockade so they can thrive economically? Make hugs, not war, grandpa"?

he was at tarrawa. thank you for confirming that you want a genocide.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

he was at tarrawa. thank you for confirming that you want a genocide.

That necessarily means, that you think your gradfather committed genocide?

I don't "want" to do anything. They are forcing us into this situation. Not my choice.

You said we don't "do anything" for these people? In Iraq, under President Bush, we gave them freedom. For the first time, they had free, open, peaceful elections. Thanks to us, many more little girls started going to school. we did this at a terrible cost to us, but we did it, and we didn't do it to confiscate their oil, take your tin foil hat off for a moment, will you?

For the third and final time...did the Swede who gave that speech, say anythig that you can show was wrong? Calling him a bigot is easy. Try something harder. Tell me where he was wrong.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That necessarily means, that you think your gradfather committed genocide?

I don't "want" to do anything. They are forcing us into this situation. Not my choice.

You said we don't "do anything" for these people? In Iraq, under President Bush, we gave them freedom. For the first time, they had free, open, peaceful elections. Thanks to us, many more little girls started going to school. we did this at a terrible cost to us, but we did it, and we didn't do it to confiscate their oil, take your tin foil hat off for a moment, will you?

For the third and final time...did the Swede who gave that speech, say anythig that you can show was wrong? Calling him a bigot is easy. Try something harder. Tell me where he was wrong.

i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death. anyone who surrendered was taken prisoner. The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me, unless you are a god fearing scared of anyone who isn't like you isolationist fascist and want to irradiate the threat completely.

The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist and jerks off to midget porn while wearing women's underwear.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death. anyone who surrendered was taken prisoner. The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me, unless you are a god fearing scared of anyone who isn't like you isolationist fascist and want to irradiate the threat completely.

The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist and jerks off to midget porn while wearing women's underwear.

"i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death"

Do you have any idea how many Japanese civilians were killed bu the napalm bombing, and the atomic weapons, that we used? Hundreds of thousands. Many were women and children who wanted nothing to do with the war. Your grandfather was a part of that effort.

We did that, becaise the Japanese forced us to do it. If they stopped murdering, raping, and eating everyone in their path, we would have been more than happy to lay down our arms. But they wouldn't stop.

When one side wages war, particularly barnaric war like the Japanese and ISIS are doing, the only way to stop them is to get almost as ugly as they are. That's a horrible thing. I don't like it, i hate it. But it's reality.

And Islamic jihadists aren't equally committed to fightring to the death? How many have surrendered?

"The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me"

That does NOT make a distinction betweed WWII and th ewar with teror. As I said, we killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese women and babies who posed no direct threat to anyone. But th eonly way to end th ewar, was to annihilate centers of Japanese industry, which were in civilian areas. So we did it. We didn't like it. We did it because they forced us to do it.

"The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist "

There we go!! I admit everything he said was correct, but because I don't like what his truthful statements mean, he must be a racist! He must be dismissed, because otherwise I might have to admit he has a point, and I'm too close-minded to ever do that!

Pathetic.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong.

How do atheists arrive at some "morality?" Are all atheists supposed to think alike. Is one atheist's "morality" superior to another's? What if one atheistic morality, say a communist, understands and "believes" it is proper and necessary to subjugate atheists of another morality (free market atheists for instance), and to impose its own morality on them? Who is to say either morality is the "good" one? Would it be the ultimate atheistic morality to say that the strong one should prevail? What other "metric" should be applied to decide? Should one morality simply give itself up to the other so as to avoid the immorality of opposing another morality? You say you have stronger Christian beliefs than most Christians. Would you go the limit and turn your other cheek when those of a different persuasion than you wish to subjugate you to their morality?

I bet he is also a white supremacist and jerks off to midget porn while wearing women's underwear.

I bet it felt good to say that. Perhaps makes you morally to superior to most Christians.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Let's see. I'd take all our troops out of the Middle East and close our bases there. I'd tell Israel they are on their own and I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.
I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
But to be fueled by hate and blind ignorance due to who's God is better is as ignorant as two school kids fighting. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
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Because Realpolitik abhors a vacuum. Of the three major global political powers; USA, Russia, China, which is most likely to be benevolent and try to foster prosperity for other countries, even at its own detriment?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Because Realpolitik abhors a vacuum. Of the three major global political powers; USA, Russia, China, which is most likely to be benevolent and try to foster prosperity for other countries, even at its own detriment?

Who gives a crap? Let Russia take over the mess and let them be the target of future terrorism. Isn't that brilliant ?! ........ Oh wait !
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.

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seems that many of the terrorist who have committed terror as well as those that support them were and are very well educated often on our dime....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something...
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give them pollution?...you want to pollute the Middle East now?...have you been to China?...and you want to make them slaves to slave labor....how nice of you?