HR 4269

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

And how about ghost guns that are made with no serial number or even with a serial number of a legal gun. It's the people who misuse the guns that are to blame. If I use a Bic lighter to set a home on fire killing the people inside should Bic be held responsible?
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So, I am not a gun owner, and am admittedly a bit naive on the process. As a sportsman I have a lot of friends that hunt and support that right, and the right to carry if you feel the need.

What I want to know, and Andy and Ross, educate me. How DO so many guns get into the wrong hands? I don't just mean the mentally ill, but the gang bangers etc.. where do they come from?

Straw purchases (i.e. San Bernadino)?
Illegal imports (i.e. the 'Irish' on Sons of Anarchy)
Stolen? (from where? Homes? Factories?)
Secret manufacturing plants?
The so-called gun show loop holes?

How do we deal with this without restricting your rights?

[nightfighter]

My opinion is that majority are stolen and traded through black market. The registration of existing guns has a horrendous track record, which is slowly being addressed. But there are a great many guns in the hands/homes of an older generation that aren't offering them up for registration. Many, I believe, slip through the cracks in the subsequent "transfer" of weapons after an owner dies. I am handling one for a family now. Deceased was formerly a FFL. So far, I have taken possession (ie. removed from the house) 34 firearms. Police captain pulled up the record, and his PIN for me, in order to transfer. Only had three weapons registered..... Three. We still have two safes and the attic to explore as well....
Background checks? I am good with that. Mass seems to do a decent job with that. I think my Class A took just under three months to process. My twins are annoyed that I wont take them out shooting until they take the safety course with a certified instructor.... (My fault for taking them out once with a sporting shotgun and now saying we can't go shoot handguns.) And is the current safety course enough? Probably not. But these are the areas; background checks, registration, and training that need to be addressed. Not banning the weapons, and certainly not rewriting the Constitution.

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

My opinion is that majority are stolen and traded through black market.

Interesting read on this topic.

Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...rocon/guns.htm

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So, I am not a gun owner, and am admittedly a bit naive on the process. As a sportsman I have a lot of friends that hunt and support that right, and the right to carry if you feel the need.

What I want to know, and Andy and Ross, educate me. How DO so many guns get into the wrong hands? I don't just mean the mentally ill, but the gang bangers etc.. where do they come from?

Straw purchases (i.e. San Bernadino)?
Illegal imports (i.e. the 'Irish' on Sons of Anarchy)
Stolen? (from where? Homes? Factories?)
Secret manufacturing plants?
The so-called gun show loop holes?

How do we deal with this without restricting your rights?

Like drugs if there is money to be made selling them illegally there will be those that will procure them to sell . Remember prohibition? The war on drugs ? How's that working out ?
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