Obama goes to Hiroshima, and naturally, screws it up

[wdmso]

we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers we saw them as inferior .. we interned fellow americans because of their yellow skin and to show the russian's

who declared war on japan August 8, 1945, be dropped the last bomb August 9, the U.S. dropped a plutonium implosion-type bomb (Fat Man) on the city of Nagasaki. and uranium gun-type atomic bomb (Little Boy)


think what you want this was a field test

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers we saw them as inferior .. we interned fellow americans because of their yellow skin and to show the russian's

That doesn't explain Dresden...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by spence

That doesn't explain Dresden...

the intent of bombing dresden wasn't to test a new weapon ..


The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.


67 Japanese Cities Firebombed in World War II

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
Name of Japanese
city firebombed Percentage of the
city destroyed Equivalent in size to
the following American city

Yokohama 58 Cleveland
Tokyo 51 New York
Toyama 99 Chattanooga
Nagoya 40 Los Angeles
Osaka 35.1 Chicago
Nishinomiya 11.9 Cambridge
Siumonoseki 37.6 San Diego
Kure 41.9 Toledo

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the intent of bombing dresden wasn't to test a new weapon ..


The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.


67 Japanese Cities Firebombed in World War II

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
Name of Japanese
city firebombed Percentage of the
city destroyed Equivalent in size to
the following American city

Yokohama 58 Cleveland
Tokyo 51 New York
Toyama 99 Chattanooga
Nagoya 40 Los Angeles
Osaka 35.1 Chicago
Nishinomiya 11.9 Cambridge
Siumonoseki 37.6 San Diego
Kure 41.9 Toledo

WDMSO, are you under the impression that we decided on our own, to pick on Japan in 1942?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

WDMSO, are you under the impression that we decided on our own, to pick on Japan in 1942?

I have no issues in what was done to japan to include the bomb or germany during war its about winning and i wasn't fighting that war those who were did what they felt best for the country.. i just am not blinded by patriotism or nationalism that 71 years later things should be viewed through the same 1942 lens ... its not revisionist history people had reservations then

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistle...b&pagenumber=1

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I have no issues in what was done to japan to include the bomb or germany during war its about winning and i wasn't fighting that war those who were did what they felt best for the country.. i just am not blinded by patriotism or nationalism that 71 years later things should be viewed through the same 1942 lens ... its not revisionist history people had reservations then

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistle...b&pagenumber=1

Yes, we had reservations.

But it wasn't an evil act, and for Obama to say it was...he's a village idiot, we elected the village idiot.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes, we had reservations.

But it wasn't an evil act, and for Obama to say it was...he's a village idiot, we elected the village idiot.

Jim, he never said that.

You need help.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by spence

That doesn't explain Dresden...

the intent of bombing dresden wasn't to test a new weapon ..


The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.

Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects of the atomic bombings killed 90,000–146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day.

and lets look at all the data that came after the war and how it advanced or knowledge of radiation fall out and effects of the bomb

67 Japanese Cities Firebombed in World War II

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
Name of Japanese
city firebombed Percentage of the
city destroyed Equivalent in size to
the following American city

Yokohama 58 Cleveland
Tokyo 51 New York
Toyama 99 Chattanooga
Nagoya 40 Los Angeles
Osaka 35.1 Chicago
Nishinomiya 11.9 Cambridge
Siumonoseki 37.6 San Diego
Kure 41.9 Toledo

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers we saw them as inferior .. we interned fellow americans because of their yellow skin and to show the russian's

who declared war on japan August 8, 1945, be dropped the last bomb August 9, the U.S. dropped a plutonium implosion-type bomb (Fat Man) on the city of Nagasaki. and uranium gun-type atomic bomb (Little Boy)


think what you want this was a field test

"we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers "

That could be. Or it could be (and in fact it is) that we bombed Japan, and not Germany...because when we bombed Hiroshima in August 1945, Germany had already surrendered (in May 1945). In fact, the surrender of Germany happened before we even tested the bomb in New Mexico (July 1945), so there was no reason to bomb Germany in August 1945?

"we saw them as inferior"

Because they were inferior. Vastly, vastly inferior. Read the Rape Of Nanking. Or Flyboys.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That could be. Or it could be (and in fact it is) that we bombed Japan, and not Germany...because when we bombed Hiroshima in August 1945, Germany had already surrendered (in May 1945). In fact, the surrender of Germany happened before we even tested the bomb in New Mexico (July 1945), so there was no reason to bomb Germany in August 1945?.

Damn those blasted timelines......
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Damn those blasted timelines......
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who needs timelines when you have a narrative?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers we saw them as inferior .. we interned fellow americans because of their yellow skin and to show the russian's

think what you want this was a field test

sounds like Spence thinks we dropped evil with the best of intentions and you think we dropped evil with bad intentions and racist, bigoted motivations...you two should discuss proper use of evil...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

sounds like Spence thinks we dropped evil with the best of intentions and you think we dropped evil with bad intentions and racist, bigoted motivations...you two should discuss proper use of evil...

no we dropped it to test a new weapon in hind sight you could say it was an evil act I am not suggesting that at all but It wasn't done just to end the war it might have been part of it but not the sole reason

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It wasn't done just to end the war it might have been part of it but not the sole reason

What do you base that on, if I may ask?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What do you base that on, if I may ask?

He's correct - the primary reason was to encourage the Japanese to end the war (and saving millions of lives, American, Chinese, Indo-China, Korean, and yes, Japanese too).

It was also intended to influence the Soviets, and hedge their thoughts of invasion of Japan, But that is considered an influential but not deciding factor. Remember - Truman did not initially know of the bomb until shortly before

Missing in this discussion is that Germany and Japan both had Atomic weapons programs and had their efforts been more fruitful and advanced, things might have been a lot different.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He's correct .

it's hard to be wrong stating the obvious "not the sole reason"....I think the rub is the suggestion that we did it to "field test" a weapon of mass destruction on folks("inferiors") that we didn't necessarily mind mass destroying(women, children and the like) simply because they didn't look like us or our "european brothers"....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's hard to be wrong stating the obvious "not the sole reason"....I think the rub is the suggestion that we did it to "field test" a weapon of mass destruction on folks("inferiors") that we didn't necessarily mind mass destroying(women, children and the like) simply because they didn't look like us or our "european brothers"....

As unpalatable as that may be by todays standard .... I strongly feel thats exactly what we did... most of the propaganda of that time reflects that believe