I'm voting for trump.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

Neither does the Constitution. If the Framers had intended to specify only specific weapons, they would have done so. Obviously, they meant "arms" in the general meaning of military or other weapons.

So I guess nukes are in scope then. Those are pretty general in the meaning of military or other weapons.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

So I guess nukes are in scope then. Those are pretty general in the meaning of military or other weapons.
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So I guess you're an extremist in spite of your pretension that you aren't. Who is it that can afford to buy an arsenal of nukes? And where do they buy them? At your local gun shop or at Walmart? Can they even find a legitimate nuke manufacturer that would fill their order?

I suppose if Trump or Soros could afford diminishing their fortunes merely to buy a bunch of nukes, and found a legitimate manufacturer who would sell them, they would have a right to do so. On the other hand, there seem to be worldwide treaties banning the ownership of nukes by those who don't already have them. And it seems that the vast majority of people support that. And I suppose that if a majority of American citizens by vote in three fourth of the States supported an amendment to the Constitution that limited or abolished the second amendment and the Supreme Court held that as constitutional, that would be the end of it.

And why do you not believe that is the Progressive end game?

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Originally Posted by detbuch

And why do you not believe that is the Progressive end game?

Because it's not. The vast majority of Americans believe in legal, responsible gun ownership with some limitations...not repealing the Second Amendment. Only the *extreme* fringe left wishes to abolish.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Because it's not. The vast majority of Americans believe in legal, responsible gun ownership with some limitations...not repealing the Second Amendment. Only the *extreme* fringe left wishes to abolish.

The NRA is the enemy
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Because it's not. The vast majority of Americans believe in legal, responsible gun ownership with some limitations...not repealing the Second Amendment. Only the *extreme* fringe left wishes to abolish.

There is the legitimate way of repealing the Second Amendment--the amendment process itself. Repeal the legitimate way is not possible as long as the "vast majority of Americans" are against it. And persuading the vast majority with the ongoing propaganda war against private gun ownership can take too long to win.

Repeal in the illegitimate way, placing "some limitations," and then some more, and then some more, through bogus "interpretations" until the Second Amendment is meaningless is a faster, surer way to do it.

What was once the *extreme* fringe left has now become the mainstream left--the Progressive left. And Progressives are not merely about repealing this or that Amendment. They want to reinterpret the entire Constitution, and in such a way that limitations on government are removed. The Second Amendment is just another tidbit (albeit a rather large tidbit) among the interpretive destructions that have already been accomplished.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

What was once the *extreme* fringe left has now become the mainstream left--the Progressive left. And Progressives are not merely about repealing this or that Amendment. They want to reinterpret the entire Constitution, and in such a way that limitations on government are removed. The Second Amendment is just another tidbit (albeit a rather large tidbit) among the interpretive destructions that have already been accomplished.

Under Obama, one of these *extreme* fringe leftists you speak about gun ownership and gun rights have gone up. Is he just really bad at it?

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Originally Posted by spence

Under Obama, one of these *extreme* fringe leftists you speak about gun ownership and gun rights have gone up. Is he just really bad at it?

That is so hilarious. Are you imputing the rise of gun ownership and whatever rights have been solidified (not gone up) in the Courts to the efforts of Obama? Is that what you call intellectual honesty?

You're deeper in the tank than I thought.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

That is so hilarious. Are you imputing the rise of gun ownership and whatever rights have been solidified (not gone up) in the Courts to the efforts of Obama?

That's not what I said...

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by spence

Under Obama, one of these *extreme* fringe leftists you speak about gun ownership and gun rights have gone up. Is he just really bad at it?

Really? You're going to throw that statement out there like that and not quantify it? How about stating why gun ownership has gone up?