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09-26-2016, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Jim, I agree that we all have the right to say offensive things. It is the comparison where you lose me. One person is demonstrating while the other is dumb enough to put it into words and display his ignorance. Both acts are heinous in my opinion,but I applaud the suspension. To try and validate the action certainly sounds like an endorsement, yet you think it is justified. Shame on you.
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I see your point, as usual. But both are forms of speech, and both were offensive, though to different groups.
If you punish one person for expressing himself in a way that offends someone, you should suspend the other person who does (what in my opinion is) the same thing.
I don't know what action I justified. I don't like what the baseball player said. But if he doesn't have the right to offend Black Lives Matter, why does everyone else have he right to offend veterans? It's that double standard.
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09-26-2016, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I see your point, as usual. But both are forms of speech, and both were offensive, though to different groups.
If you punish one person for expressing himself in a way that offends someone, you should suspend the other person who does (what in my opinion is) the same thing.
I don't know what action I justified. I don't like what the baseball player said. But if he doesn't have the right to offend Black Lives Matter, why does everyone else have he right to offend veterans? It's that double standard.
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I agree with you, but you are talking about two different organizations. Now if someone in MLB starts refusing to stand for the anthem and they let it slide. then you are correct, that is a double standard.
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09-26-2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
I agree with you, but you are talking about two different organizations. Now if someone in MLB starts refusing to stand for the anthem and they let it slide. then you are correct, that is a double standard.
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Again, you are correct, NFL and MLB are different. I was referring to athletics in general, but you got me there
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09-26-2016, 12:53 PM
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I saw a report that NFL viewership was down 15+% from this time last year - there may be a lot of people voting with their feet clicker.
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09-26-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
I saw a report that NFL viewership was down 15+% from this time last year - there may be a lot of people voting with their feet clicker.
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I wonder how Monday night football will rate tonight . I thought at first that planning the debate on a football night would hurt debate viewership now I feel opposite .
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09-26-2016, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
I saw a report that NFL viewership was down 15+% from this time last year - there may be a lot of people voting with their feet clicker.
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Thank you for sharing that!
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/23/medi...spn/index.html
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09-26-2016, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I see your point, as usual. But both are forms of speech, and both were offensive, though to different groups.
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I think you're missing the point. One action was inward, the other was outward...They are very different.
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09-27-2016, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
I think you're missing the point. One action was inward, the other was outward...They are very different.
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What the NFL QB did was inward? Kneeling during the anthem during a time of war, is an inward gesture? Not if it offends others, it's not. Saying that this nation supports the notion of black oppression is an inward gesture?
I'll say it again, it's too bad you weren't around in the 1930s to be Hitler's public relations director. Because when you pick a side, boy, there's nothing that side can do, that you won't say is noble and fine.
"They are very different"
Correct. What the QB said was offensive to a group that liberals are not politically depending upon. What the MLB catcher said, was offensive to a group that is politically important to liberals.
That's the difference. To your side (not to me), it's an important difference. To your side, all animals are equal, but some are a lot more equal than others, to quote Orwell's 'Animal Farm'.
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