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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Who are the most which you speak ?"

That would be everyone who understands what happens when an organization has a monopoly, versus an organization that has competitors

"charter schools are nothing but cash cows for investor's to milk all ready limited funds from school districts "

Investors? Many, many charter schools are public schools. There are no "investors".

As I stated, it's often CHEAPER to send a kid to a private school, than it is to send them to a public school. So school vouchers, and school choice, often saves the town money. It also puts kids in better schools. Win-win.

"they are not the magic bullet they are billed to be"

Can you get through a single post, without responding to something which nobody ever said? Nobody said they are a silver bullet. But it HELPS. Good schools are better than crappy schools. Do you disagree?

"Funny people complain about people being on welfare but then champion choice for poor families for charter schools .. but in the next breath want lower taxes"

Very, very few people deny that we need a safety net. What conservatives complain about, is waste, abuse, and fraud in welfare programs.

For the 3rd (?) time, school choice can SAVE money, which could enable towns to lower taxes. You see WDMSO, when you spend less, you don't need as much coming in.

So as far as I can tell from your response, you oppose school choice for the following reasons...

(1) You don't want investors getting rich (invalid argument in most cases, as most private schools are not for profit)

(2) You say the alternative schools aren't guaranteed to be perfect. Well, nothing is perfect. Is it a silver bullet when your state spends more on prison guards? No, it's not. But I bet you support that.

(3) you say cities cannot afford it...but as I said, it can lower costs for cities. Give people the option of sending their kids to cheaper, yet better, schools.

"a free market based system is crazy "

As opposed to giving cities a monopoly, which has been swell in the cities.


"will start a new class system"

That's not what we have now in our cities?

"your bank account will select your education quality is that what we want"

we have that today. What school choice does, is reduce the difference in education quality. I am interested in giving people at the bottom, a better chance. You would rather stick with the status quo. Shocker, since you are in a public union.

Ask a poor person who lives in a city with crappy schools, yet who is raising kids who want to learn, if they'd rather send their kids to a private school in the suburbs. Ask the mayor of the city, if he would like to see education spending decrease, while giving better education to some kids.

You have put forth weak arguments.






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And you have put forth no arguments on how charter schools help

Why dont you open one.. you can if they are so great and divert more money to the private sector from the public sector which you blame for everything

charter schools are public schools. really see below
In New York state, the charters went to court to fight audits by the state comptroller; they argued that they are nonprofit educational institutions, not public agencies. They said that only their authorizers had the power to audit them, not public officials. The state law was amended to give the comptroller the authority to audit their use of public monies.


n Chicago and in Philadelphia, charter schools fought efforts by their teachers to unionize on grounds that they were not public schools and thus were not subject to state labor laws. The charter school in Chicago argued in court that it was a private school, not a public school, and thus not subject to the same laws as public schools.

The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a charter school in Arizona was a private nonprofit corporation, not a state agency, when it was sued by an employee who had been discharged. In this case, a federal court agreed with the charter school that charters are not public schools when it comes to the rights of their employees.

[scottw]

Wayne...you've never actually been to a Charter school have you?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Wayne...you've never actually been to a Charter school have you?

Nope.. what they are like is not why I am against expansion

I am happy with the way MA does it theres a Cap on them.. not looking to ban them just not open to free for all expansion on charter schools or have the education system turn into a market driven model

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Nope.. what they are like is not why I am against expansion

charter schools are nothing but cash cows for investor's to milk all ready limited funds from school districts that's pretty harsh

they are not the magic bullet they are billed to be ...and you know because?????

Funny people complain about people being on welfare but then champion choice for poor families for charter schools .. to help escape generational poverty

... all citizens should have the right to an good education but a free market based system is crazy and will start a new class system you prefer the current failing class system?

your bank account will select your education quality is that what we want ? pretty sure it does already in many cases and also traps those without in lousy schools

Guess who can start a charter school....Parents that are dissatisfied with their kids’ public education options but can’t afford the tuition of a private school can take matters into their own hands and start a charter school. or anyone !!! How is that a good Idea? sounds like a great idea !

I am happy with the way MA does it theres a Cap on them.. not looking to ban them just not open to free for all expansion on charter schools or have the education system turn into a market driven model

glad to hear you don't want them banned , that would really make you sound crazy

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And you have put forth no arguments on how charter schools help

Why dont you open one.. you can if they are so great and divert more money to the private sector from the public sector which you blame for everything

charter schools are public schools. really see below
In New York state, the charters went to court to fight audits by the state comptroller; they argued that they are nonprofit educational institutions, not public agencies. They said that only their authorizers had the power to audit them, not public officials. The state law was amended to give the comptroller the authority to audit their use of public monies.


n Chicago and in Philadelphia, charter schools fought efforts by their teachers to unionize on grounds that they were not public schools and thus were not subject to state labor laws. The charter school in Chicago argued in court that it was a private school, not a public school, and thus not subject to the same laws as public schools.

The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a charter school in Arizona was a private nonprofit corporation, not a state agency, when it was sued by an employee who had been discharged. In this case, a federal court agreed with the charter school that charters are not public schools when it comes to the rights of their employees.

"And you have put forth no arguments on how charter schools help "

Let me get this straight. You are saying that if you take 100 kids who want to learn, there is no difference in educational outcome, regardless of whether they attend public school in Hartford, or a private school in the suburbs. You really, truly, genuinely believe that?

If that's true, all those people who choose where to live based on school quality, must be pretty stupid.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...-like-congress

From the article...

"a United States Department of Education report that found students in the nation's capital that were provided with vouchers allowing them to attend private school through the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship program had made statistically significant gains in reading achievement."

"Why dont you open one"

You are missing the point. The private schools are already there. We don't need to build them. Many private schools have space for more kids, and many public school students would love to go to the private schools, but can't afford it.

Charter schools aren't necessarily different from public schools. The fact that they didn't want to unionize, doesn't mean it's not a public school. Individual charter schools may function as private, but they don't have to. And private schools are not necessarily for-profit. Many are non-profit, because many are Catholic.