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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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I hope you can let this go Or is that to cryptic for you... I hope you'll come home with me said the Jon to the prostitute , let me guess you think he was asking her on a date
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[Got Stripers]

Trump might have not directly told Comey to drop the investigation, but when someone in that high a position of power says "I hope", it's implied that it's what I want to happen. Power corrupts absolutely and Trump is used to getting what he wants and this new reality isn't probably good for his getting a restful 8 hours of sleep.

His biggest problem IMHO is that he has surrounded himself with people that don't know the ropes and what flies in the private sector isn't going to work in the white house. It would have been interesting to rewind the tape and see where we might be had he done just that. Yes I know he doesn't trust anyone but his inner circle of close friends and family; but they don't know crap about the workings of Washington DC.

Bitches about talks Clinton had on the tarmac and yet he can ask everyone to leave the room except the director of the FBI and that isn't worse to the nth degree? So ironic to watch all this unfold.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump might have not directly told Comey to drop the investigation, but when someone in that high a position of power says "I hope", it's implied that it's what I want to happen. Power corrupts absolutely and Trump is used to getting what he wants and this new reality isn't probably good for his getting a restful 8 hours of sleep.

Just a minor thing--power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. In either case, mostly the former, that's why most politicians are corrupt. Trump is probably less corrupt than many of the politicians that have graced our political offices. I am speaking about politics here. His personal life outside of politics doesn't interest me.

His biggest problem IMHO is that he has surrounded himself with people that don't know the ropes and what flies in the private sector isn't going to work in the white house. It would have been interesting to rewind the tape and see where we might be had he done just that. Yes I know he doesn't trust anyone but his inner circle of close friends and family; but they don't know crap about the workings of Washington DC.

You have just described the bane of American politics--"what flies in the private sector isn't going to work in the white house." It should work. But, from the very foundation of our political system (the destruction of the Constitution) to every office, cabinet, and agency of every level of government, corruption of some sort is more influential than the prescribed rules of operation and conduct.

Government can prosecute private malfeasance. But it is not as adept at prosecuting it's own. Unless, of course, it attempts to bring down the opposition party, even if the charges are bogus which would be further demonstration of how corrupted our governmental process has become.

Calvin Coolidge was that peculiar exception of very modest to no corruption who ran the White House like a business, to the chagrin of many. And he was very successful in actually reducing the national debt and lifting us into an age of economic prosperity.

Continuing the "workings of Washington D.C." will continue the same crap that has led us into unsustainable debt and the degradation of the document that guarantees our individual freedoms.

Bitches about talks Clinton had on the tarmac and yet he can ask everyone to leave the room except the director of the FBI and that isn't worse to the nth degree? So ironic to watch all this unfold.

The difference is that Bill Clinton did not have the legal authority to ask or demand anything from the attorney general. Donald Trump, as President, does have constitutional authority to do so. Consider this article:

http://2164th.blogspot.com/2017/06/a...-sane-and.html

[scottw]

and Bill Clinton, we were told, could be a complete dirt bag/reprobate in his personal/private life(and occasionally in the oval office)...yet simultaneously be a fabulous president...the two were in no way related...Obama could have all kinds of dubious acquaintances and predilections which.... actually made him more qualified for the office as they showed his "open mindedness". Kerry and Gore had HRC had flaws that we were told were either irrelevant or in some perverted way qualifiers for the office they sought

I've not enjoyed the mainstream news, NPR and on as much as I do currently....non-stop mindless cackling by self-important preeners who are offended by the fact that no one seems to be listening to them.....when you speak day in and day out using the same catch phrases filled with indignation bordering on lunacy complaining about things you've overlooked or condoned and defended not so many years ago, you tend to undermine you own credibility regardless of the seriousness of your message....

for Trumps supporters, every "attack" hardens their resolution...for the folks that find themselves on the same side of the aisle grudgingly affiliated it's just more shoulder shrugging...."Trump might be bad but you people are insane"

it's early...the fun is only beginning

“The press is focusing on personality, not substance,” he(Patterson) said recently on public radio’s “On the Media” program. And that reflects “not a partisan bias but a journalistic bias,” the tendency to seek out conflict."

"Thus, home pages of news organizations or hour upon hour of cable news are relentlessly focused on the president — not always because of solid newsworthiness."

We’ve(journalists) got plenty of things to improve on. Giving Trump gratuitous strokes is not one of them."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.f7760f18a98b


I don't believe Trump has ever asked for a "gratuitous stroke"..though Bill Clinton no doubt regularly requested them... and Obama was tongue bathed in them like no other president in our history....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Oh, I see now. It's OK to interfere with the FBI to get them to downplay an investigation, but not OK to ask them to back off.

"and still carry his water "

I am honest. Not the same as carrying anyone's water. All I as is that you hold democrats and republicans to the same standard, and it's apparently asking way too much.

" am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions"

I think it's fair to point out the glaring double standard. Doesn't mean I don't have complete disdain for the guy.