Health care

[wdmso]

health care isn't about giving free anything ... when a Vast i mean Vast number of jobs Wages will not cover the current cost of a Plan ... many who complain about the high cost had just Catastrophic Health Plan .. so lets see people put up what there paying I have good health plan been on the same job for 29 year originally only paid 25 cents a week in 1988 no co pay no deductible now i pay 250 by weekly 850 out of pocket and 250 deductible for meds the 20 co pay after in 29 years 2 kids is my real extent of using my insurance and thats a plan offered to a state who has buying power of over how many employees and its cheaper because of volume

How do you expect the landscaper or business owner with 10 workers to provide health care .. ?? people over 65 dont care they are covered and insurances companies are glad to see them gone rich people dont care they can afforded it

every one else will bitch util the get a real bill then they'll feel the pain and wish they had single payer or roll the dice till they reach 65

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

health care isn't about giving free anything ... when a Vast i mean Vast number of jobs Wages will not cover the current cost of a Plan ... many who complain about the high cost had just Catastrophic Health Plan .. so lets see people put up what there paying I have good health plan been on the same job for 29 year originally only paid 25 cents a week in 1988 no co pay no deductible now i pay 250 by weekly 850 out of pocket and 250 deductible for meds the 20 co pay after in 29 years 2 kids is my real extent of using my insurance and thats a plan offered to a state who has buying power of over how many employees and its cheaper because of volume

How do you expect the landscaper or business owner with 10 workers to provide health care .. ?? people over 65 dont care they are covered and insurances companies are glad to see them gone rich people dont care they can afforded it

every one else will bitch util the get a real bill then they'll feel the pain and wish they had single payer or roll the dice till they reach 65

WDMSO, you need to understand that health insurance is expensive because the thing being insured, healthcare, is expensive. Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive.

Health insurance is also very highly regulated. Insurers cannot charge whatever they want, rates must get approved by state government. The governments employ actuaries to make sure the insurers aren't inflating prices. And profit margins for health insurers, are below average for businesses in this country.

I have a typical family plan for a typical white collar job. For me and my wife & kids, I pay about 400 a month for my insurance, I think my company pays about double that (most people don't know that what you pay, is usually about 25% of the total cost, your employer pays the rest) so the true cost of my plan is a little over $1,000 a month. I have a $1,000 family deductible, and once that's met, I have $20 co-pays for office visits, $150 for emergency room visits. I have no complaints. I wish it was cheaper, but I know my carrier spends 95 cents of every dollar collected, paying benefits and expenses. They aren't price gouging.

How do we make it cheaper? beats me. I know there's some fraud and waste that can be rooted out, we can pass tort reform law which makes it less necessary for docs to practice defensive medicine. But I don't know that amounts to much.

And I don't want single payer, I don't want the government anywhere near my health.

[wdmso]

you dont want them anywhere near your healthcare until you 65 or cant afford it then you'll want them.. like those who hate the government until a tornado or hurricane wipes them out and all you hear is where is the government

every one should get the same heath care its not a product its not a car so if you can afford a Ferrari and I can afford and used Yugo then try to make the argument well there both cars ....

U.S. Health-Care System Ranks as One of the Least-Efficient

America is number 50 out of 55 countries that were assessed.

The U.S. rated especially poor in equality of coverage. The report found that 44 percent of low-income Americans have trouble gaining access to coverage compared with 26 percent of high-income Americans. The numbers for the U.K. are 7 percent and 4 percent, respectively. Not unrelated, the U.K.’s National Health Service was deemed the best health care system, just as it was in 2014. “In contrast to the U.S., over the last decade the U.K. saw a larger decline in mortality amenable to health care than the other countries studied,” the report reads.


but again facts matter to some and to other not so much ... how can Single-payer be worse

Why do Americans love Medicare but hate the idea of a single-payer healthcare system? It doesn't make sense.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you dont want them anywhere near your healthcare until you 65 or cant afford it then you'll want them.. like those who hate the government until a tornado or hurricane wipes them out and all you hear is where is the government

every one should get the same heath care its not a product its not a car so if you can afford a Ferrari and I can afford and used Yugo then try to make the argument well there both cars ....

U.S. Health-Care System Ranks as One of the Least-Efficient

America is number 50 out of 55 countries that were assessed.

The U.S. rated especially poor in equality of coverage. The report found that 44 percent of low-income Americans have trouble gaining access to coverage compared with 26 percent of high-income Americans. The numbers for the U.K. are 7 percent and 4 percent, respectively. Not unrelated, the U.K.’s National Health Service was deemed the best health care system, just as it was in 2014. “In contrast to the U.S., over the last decade the U.K. saw a larger decline in mortality amenable to health care than the other countries studied,” the report reads.


but again facts matter to some and to other not so much ... how can Single-payer be worse

Why do Americans love Medicare but hate the idea of a single-payer healthcare system? It doesn't make sense.

The U.K. Has 4 different National Healthcare services, one for England, one for Scotland, one for Ireland, and one for Wales.

Pesky facts
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

America is number 50 out of 55 countries that were assessed.

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How many of the 49 countries that were ahead of us, have an open border with Mexico, and millions of poor blacks living in horrible poverty? Answer - zilch.

When you are Norway - a tiny, isolated nation where everyone has an oil well in their backyard, and you don't allow any immigration - it's easy, for a while at least, to score well on those surveys. We allow millions of penniless immigrants to come here, most countries don't.

Move Mexico to the southern border of any of those 49 countries, make it a wide open border, and see how that country scores in 25 years.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How many of the 49 countries that were ahead of us, have an open border with Mexico, and millions of poor blacks living in horrible poverty? Answer - zilch.

When you are Norway - a tiny, isolated nation where everyone has an oil well in their backyard, and you don't allow any immigration - it's easy, for a while at least, to score well on those surveys. We allow millions of penniless immigrants to come here, most countries don't.

Move Mexico to the southern border of any of those 49 countries, make it a wide open border, and see how that country scores in 25 years.

yea ok its the immigrant's that ruined health care you need to find a new Horse to beat

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

yea ok its the immigrant's that ruined health care you need to find a new Horse to beat

Sigh...immigrants don't ruin the survey scores, but poverty does. We let a lot of poor people into our country. Most places, don't. That means if you just look at national averages, we are at a disadvantage. You need to compare apples to apples.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sigh...immigrants don't ruin the survey scores, but poverty does. We let a lot of poor people into our country. Most places, don't. That means if you just look at national averages, we are at a disadvantage. You need to compare apples to apples.

Yes - lets keep filling the low wage brackets with more and more low wage earners - ya know for the jobs others don't want to do - and keep growing the bottom third of the pool. There will then always be poor to champion for. Automation and AI are going to blow the whole thing open anyway and we'll have even LESS people to tax and rerdistribute.

We are out of balance now and have been for some time, this will get drastically worse in the coming 2-3 decades (plus things like GDP/unfunded liabilities) and our kids and GKs will pay for it.