Now if the left had not...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Now if the left had not made this guy into the worst baby killer, 27 wived, 80s Foreign Policy Horses and Bayonets, Bain Cancer Pepper Spraying, maybe he would be on his second term as president.

Would most of us agree that he would be better than Trump? Almost as many better than a second Obama admin?

the left was not responsible for his lost .. Rommney was responsible for his lost

Some could say the same About Hillary .. if the right had not made her into the Napoleon of crime or queen of lies would we possibly be a a better place

Her loss she was responsible for

And yes Romney would be better than Trump And I would have voted for him if he was the Nominee .. but sadly that choice was not available

and better than Obama 2nd Term How so ..

[JohnR]

Hillary made herself into thew Queen of Crime with repeated lying, promoting herself above the law, and trying to cover it up afterward. They didn't run against each other but do you think Hillary is more ethical than Romney?

Originally Posted by wdmso

the left was not responsible for his lost .. Rommney was responsible for his lost

Perhaps you missed it from the liberal cheering section ; ) but the abuse, lies, and mis-characterizations were deafening.

This also led to the rise in people being unwilling to believe the main stream media / major networks. A lack of accuracy compounded with bias from networks further eroded the faith many people had in the news - which also allows for the near opiate like attraction to "Fake News".

In 2016 we had the worst possible candidates put forth, particularly in the end.

As for Obama's 2nd term - you think he was uniting the country?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

This also led to the rise in people being unwilling to believe the main stream media / major networks. A lack of accuracy compounded with bias from networks further eroded the faith many people had in the news - which also allows for the near opiate like attraction to "Fake News".

I disagree with that 100% the right has driven that lie and followers no carry that idea



As for Obama's 2nd term - you think he was uniting the country

I know he wasn't dividing it . Unless you think questioning police shooting of in armed citizens as division ..

I what manner did you see him being disvisive and on what topic?


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the left was not responsible for his lost .. Rommney was responsible for his lost

Some could say the same About Hillary .. if the right had not made her into the Napoleon of crime or queen of lies would we possibly be a a better place

Her loss she was responsible for

And yes Romney would be better than Trump And I would have voted for him if he was the Nominee .. but sadly that choice was not available

and better than Obama 2nd Term How so ..

"the left was not responsible for his loss "

No. But the left is responsible for the lies they told about him, simply because he disagrees with them on some things. He is a decent man. He was not portrayed as such by the left. They are responsible for their actions. They are responsible for engaging in dishonest smear campaigns, are they not? and right-wing news outlets are equally responsible when they do it.

That's what led to Trump, because he could not care less when the media goes bonkers trying to demonize him, in fact I think he loves it. He loves knowing that he is living rent-free in their heads, I think it cracks him up.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the left was not responsible for his loss "

No. But the left is responsible for the lies they told about him, simply because he disagrees with them on some things. He is a decent man. He was not portrayed as such by the left. They are responsible for their actions. They are responsible for engaging in dishonest smear campaigns, are they not? and right-wing news outlets are equally responsible when they do it.

That's what led to Trump, because he could not care less when the media goes bonkers trying to demonize him, in fact I think he loves it. He loves knowing that he is living rent-free in their heads, I think it cracks him up.

I know every thing said about Hillary from the right was the truth What's that saying she lost ... as did Romney You sound like a snowflake in your defense
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I know every thing said about Hillary from the right was the truth What's that saying she lost ... as did Romney You sound like a snowflake in your defense
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No comparison. There is data you can find, to see what % of media coverage, is favorable or unfavorable, for certain candidates. The media has one TV station, ONE, that isn't completely in the tank for the Democrats. And less than 1% of the population watches that TV station.

"You sound like a snowflake in your defense"

Yes, that's me, a snowflake.

If you see no bias in the way the media covers politics, well, you have the right to that opinion. Most of the country disagrees with you. The polls couldn't be more clear on that.

CNN gave debate questions ahead of time, to one of the presidential candidates. Which one do you suppose it was? Do you know?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No comparison. There is data you can find, to see what % of media coverage, is favorable or unfavorable, for certain candidates. The media has one TV station, ONE, that isn't completely in the tank for the Democrats. And less than 1% of the population watches that TV station.

"You sound like a snowflake in your defense"

Yes, that's me, a snowflake.

If you see no bias in the way the media covers politics, well, you have the right to that opinion. Most of the country disagrees with you. The polls couldn't be more clear on that.

CNN gave debate questions ahead of time, to one of the presidential candidates. Which one do you suppose it was? Do you know?

99 % of media covers things the same way and have been for decades
Most of the country disagrees with you. not really only fox viewers and thats not most .. you guys get 1 guy elected in 8 years and blame the dems for trump ... you reap what you sow you voted for him now own him .... can you say Sinclair Broadcast Group i

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Most of the country disagrees with you.

. you reap what you sow you voted for him now own him ...

. can you say Sinclair Broadcast Group i

I didn't vote for him...Jim didn't either(right?)...John didn't...TDF either...I know a lot of typically democrat/swing voters who DID especially union types who are apparently secret fringenazialtheads?...

no clue what Sinclair Broadcasting is....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn't vote for him...Jim didn't either(right?)...John didn't...TDF either...I know a lot of typically democrat/swing voters who DID especially union types who are apparently secret fringenazialtheads?...

no clue what Sinclair Broadcasting is....

Well, Geesh, NOW who is he going to be able to call a Trumpanzee.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn't vote for him...Jim didn't either(right?)...John didn't...TDF either...I know a lot of typically democrat/swing voters who DID especially union types who are apparently secret fringenazialtheads?...

no clue what Sinclair Broadcasting is....

I didn't vote for him in the primary, but I sure voted for him in the general election, I donated money, made phone calls, and had a big sign on my lawn. It was going to be him or her, and on the issues that matter to me (freedom, national security, the economy, the unborn), if I have to choose between those two...it was a distasteful choice, but a very easy choice.

Trump calls out violence and bigotry on all sides, and somehow THAT makes him a Nazi sympathizer. That makes all kinds of sense.

I saw Chris Wallace last night, and he is no Trump fan. Wallace played 15 different video clips over the last 2 years, of Trump denouncing David Duke, and racism of all kinds. It's never enough for the kooks, it never will be enough, there is no way they will be fair to him (and 'fair' can be critical, if he deserves it) for two consecutive seconds. Fortunately for him, I think he couldn't care less. He took their bias and clubbed them with it like a baby seal during the campaign, and it brought people to his side..

"no clue what Sinclair Broadcasting is"

Me either. But my guess is, it means you and I are Nazis.

I heard that when Trump woke up this morning, his first words were not "Hitler is bad". Must mean he's a Nazi, right?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

99 % of media covers things the same way and have been for decades
Most of the country disagrees with you. not really only fox viewers and thats not most .. you guys get 1 guy elected in 8 years and blame the dems for trump ... you reap what you sow you voted for him now own him .... can you say Sinclair Broadcast Group i

"99 % of media covers things the same way and have been for decades "

The media took a major turn to the left during Bush 43's presidency, then went off the cliff with their blatant campaigning for Obama.

"you guys get 1 guy elected in 8 years and blame the dems for trump "

I wanted Trump to win, so why would I "blame" anyone for helping bring that about? I said they helped make it happen.

There were 3 elections in those 8 years. We won one of 3.

Also during Obama's 8 years, do you have ANY IDEA what happened to the number of democrats in the US Congress, in state governor mansions, and in state legislatures? The democrats lost 1,000 seats in those areas, during Obama's 8 years. Conclusion - people liked Obama, they rejected his policies.