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09-08-2017, 08:33 AM
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Trump sides with Dems on spending cap
Trump gave Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer exactly what they wanted regarding the debt ceiling increase. He angered conservatives in doing so.
Does he deserve credit for putting party politics aside and doing what he thinks is right?
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09-08-2017, 11:46 AM
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Perhaps; I think he is so driven by optics he wanted a visible 'win' and was sick of waiting for the GOP to move on some of this.
When you have no core values or convictions you will swing with the political breeze...
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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09-08-2017, 11:57 AM
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Don't forget that Trump was a DemocRat who supported and was supported by DemocRats long before he was ever a republican. He certainly can't be called Conservative...
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“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Antonin Scalia
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09-08-2017, 12:19 PM
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He did it to put pressure on the Repubs.
As I said yesterday, he is clay who will change based on what the last person told him.
I'm always in favor of bipartisanismships
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09-08-2017, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Trump gave Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer exactly what they wanted regarding the debt ceiling increase. He angered conservatives in doing so.
Does he deserve credit for putting party politics aside and doing what he thinks is right?
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I have to agree I think he may have put country before party politics .. He wasn't going for 18 month debt extension..
He owns this one he didn't pass the buck like he has thats certain .. and how much a victory did he really give democrats..?
Democrats should not be doing back slaps or read into this .. if they do their morons |
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09-08-2017, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishpart
Don't forget that Trump was a DemocRat who supported and was supported by DemocRats long before he was ever a republican. He certainly can't be called Conservative...
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That's right. He knew those dummycRats would never vote for him. Smart move
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09-08-2017, 04:14 PM
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09-08-2017, 04:39 PM
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I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can come up with two times the amount of flip flops for Trump versus Clinton? How about it?
I have no problem people changing their mind. The difference is with Trump he denies he said something even when it is on tapte - i e he lies.
Was she talking about the Daca kids in that video?
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09-08-2017, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can come up with two times the amount of flip flops for Trump versus Clinton? How about it?
I have no problem people changing their mind. The difference is with Trump he denies he said something even when it is on tapte - i e he lies.
Was she talking about the Daca kids in that video?
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"I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can come up with two times the amount of flip flops for Trump versus Clinton? How about it?"
I would not take that bet.
So a certain number of flip flops is acceptable. Hilary is below that number, Trump is above. Convenient.
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09-09-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS View Post
"I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can come up with two times the amount of flip flops for Trump versus Clinton? How about it?"
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I would not take that bet.
So a certain number of flip flops is acceptable. Hilary is below that number, Trump is above. Convenient.
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take it...just to make him go searching   |
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09-09-2017, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS View Post
"I'll bet you a hundred bucks I can come up with two times the amount of flip flops for Trump versus Clinton? How about it?"
take it...just to make him go searching
You can have that bet too. 100 bucks to Hurricane recovery. Actually I wouldn't have to search probably can come up with 10 right off the bat |
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09-09-2017, 11:00 AM
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This is actually a good thread to dissect. Jim has called Democrats apologists, Hypocrites and Liars. The video he attached had nothing to do with dreamers. Either he doesn't understand or is lying when he posted it. I've never said Jim is not smart so I would think it's the latter. In a thread that was about Trump he brings up Clinton to somehow defend Pres. Trump IE he's being an apologist for Trump. He spent much bandwidth talking about how Obama would bring up Bush when he would talk about the economy he inherited and Jim said he didn't like it yet here he is talking about Clinton and she's wasn't even in office. Hypocrisy.
And I have no problem for politicians saying their opinion has evolved over time. That is happened with civil rights gay marriage on and on. It's when they make a statement and claim they never made the complete opposite statement previously
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09-09-2017, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
And I have no problem for politicians saying their opinion has evolved over time.
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when democrats "evolve" it's open-minded and brilliant
when republicans "evolve" it's hypocrisy |
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09-09-2017, 12:20 PM
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You can have that bet too. 100 bucks to Hurricane recovery. Actually I wouldn't have to search probably can come up with 10 right off the bat
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I'm sure you could invent quite a few |
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09-09-2017, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
This is actually a good thread to dissect. Jim has called Democrats apologists, Hypocrites and Liars. The video he attached had nothing to do with dreamers. Either he doesn't understand or is lying when he posted it. I've never said Jim is not smart so I would think it's the latter. In a thread that was about Trump he brings up Clinton to somehow defend Pres. Trump IE he's being an apologist for Trump. He spent much bandwidth talking about how Obama would bring up Bush when he would talk about the economy he inherited and Jim said he didn't like it yet here he is talking about Clinton and she's wasn't even in office. Hypocrisy.
And I have no problem for politicians saying their opinion has evolved over time. That is happened with civil rights gay marriage on and on. It's when they make a statement and claim they never made the complete opposite statement previously
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She is talking about children who came here with their parents, illegally. In all seriousness, how is that different from the people Trump is targeting?
On the flip-flopping, as you said, we all do it. I don't have a huge issue with Hilary flip-flopping on gay marriage, as she now agrees with me on the issue. But in her deplorables speech, she implied that those who disagree with her, are homophobic. Has she ever once said "hey, I was opposed to gay marriage until very recently (until the polling switched, actually), so let's not attack everyone who disagrees with us?" |
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09-09-2017, 01:40 PM
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And I am not bringing up Hilary to defend Trump (you can just ask me, instead of making assumptions). I brought her up, to show the glaring hypocrisy of the left. It's not hateful when Hilary opposed gay marriage and supported deportation of little kids, nor is it problematic even when she slut-shames the victims of sexual assault on TV. But if a Republican dares to share those views, Paul, are you going to deny that they are portrayed in a more negative light, than when Hilary expresses those views?
That's what I'm getting at.
Oh, and watch what happens when Ben Shapiro (a harmless, thoughtful, not inflammatory like Ann Coulter) speaks at Berkley in 10 days or so. There may be nothing left of the town.
You almost never see conservatives throwing riots when liberals speak. Why is that?
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09-09-2017, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
You almost never see conservatives throwing riots when liberals speak. Why is that?
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it's hard to riot when you are laughing or at your job...... |
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09-09-2017, 07:21 PM
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it's hard to riot when you are laughing or at your job......
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I am sure that's part of it.
Whats what happens when Ben Shapiro shows up at Berkley soon.
I have asked many times why those politically-motivated riots are always liberals doing the rioting. Never get a good answer. |
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09-09-2017, 11:03 PM
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