GOP Tax Overhaul

[Nebe]

I’ll say this again. Trump is not signing this tax bill until 2018 so that when the cards fall, it will happen after the 2019 elections. Why would he do this if this is such a gift to all Americans?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I’ll say this again. Trump is not signing this tax bill until 2018 so that when the cards fall, it will happen after the 2019 elections. Why would he do this if this is such a gift to all Americans?
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great question...

President Donald Trump signed his tax cut bill on Friday morning in the Oval Office with little fanfare in his final order of business before the start of his Christmas holiday away from the White House.

Calling it 'the biggest tax cut, the biggest reform of all time' he said 'the numbers will speak' for themselves when taxpayers start to see results.

'I think it's selling itself,' Trump said of the landmark legislation. 'It's becoming very popular. You'll see something on February 1 when they open up the paycheck.'

Rather than holding an elaborate signing ceremony in early January, he said he rushed to turn the bill into law before December 25 to honor a pledge to make tax cuts his Christmas present to the American people.

[Nebe]

Ok. glad to hear this.

[Tagger]

Oh boy .. 1k for me .. Pass on a 1.5 trillion dollar to the debt. for my grandson . If they added 3 trillion to the debt. I could have gotten 2k maybe . Free money . I thought it was bad reaching into somebody else's pocket . Hmmmm and you call yourselves conservatives . Laughable .

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Oh boy .. 1k for me .. Pass on a 1.5 trillion dollar to the debt. for my grandson . If they added 3 trillion to the debt. I could have gotten 2k maybe . Free money . I thought it was bad reaching into somebody else's pocket . Hmmmm and you call yourselves conservatives . Laughable .

I have made the same point ... but was soundly scolded for not being grateful for my 1000.00 extra dollars a year .. and scolded for not being happy for those for whom the estate tax was repealed for

4,700 estate tax returns reporting tax liability were filed in 2013, out of 2.6 million total deaths in the United States. That means the estate tax hits roughly 0.2% of Americans, or 1 out of every 500 people who die.

Tax policy to help 0.2%.. the estate tax never made a rich persons family from being rich after they passed ... so let repeal it after 100 years on the books ?

but 1000.00 bucks a year is going to help working Americans ...

[scottw]

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Oh boy .. 1k for me ..

Free money . FREE MONEY is what government hands out to those who did not earn it

I thought it was bad reaching into somebody else's pocket .

Hmmmm and you call yourselves conservatives . Laughable

Originally Posted by wdmso

I have made the same point ...

but 1000.00 bucks a year is going to help working Americans ...

you guys understand the very basic concept that it's YOUR money...right??? it's not FREE money....

I'm sure you guys are more than welcome to send your thousand bucks or whatever it is right to the US Treasury.....actually...send a little extra(maybe a measly additional thousand) with a note..."please use this to reduce the Federal Debt"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

... but was soundly scolded for not being grateful for my 1000.00 extra dollars a year .. ...

You can give it to me if it's of no use to you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I’ll say this again. Trump is not signing this tax bill until 2018 so that when the cards fall, it will happen after the 2019 elections. Why would he do this if this is such a gift to all Americans?
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Got any other predictions?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Got any other predictions?

You will post more about your fascination with gays and liberals.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You will post more about your fascination with gays and liberals.
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And Hillary.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

And Hillary.
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Who? That nut doing infomercials for her book? Is she still around?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Got any other predictions?

2018
I suspect the Dems will pick up some house and senate seats. Rumors of lots of women in both parties invigorated, running or supporting women running. Possibly flipping the senate to dems, but not flipping the house.

2020
Donald will get primaried from inside the GOP
Not a clue who runs for the dems. We’ll see after 2018 who emerges.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

2018
I suspect the Dems will pick up some house and senate seats. Rumors of lots of women in both parties invigorated, running or supporting women running. Possibly flipping the senate to dems, but not flipping the house.

2020
Donald will get primaried from inside the GOP
Not a clue who runs for the dems. We’ll see after 2018 who emerges.
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2018: in the senate, the GOP could not have better hand-picked which seats are up for re-election. There are twice as many democrats up for re-election as republicans. And I believe there is one Republican up for re election in a state that Hilary won, and 8 or 9 democrats up in states that Trump won. It would take a major event for the democrats to pick up seats in the senate. And that could happen.

You may be right in the house. Or, if the Dow is at 30,000, unemployment is at 3%, and 80% of Americans are actually seeing a small bump in their net take home pay, they might remember that not a single democrat voted for any of that. That's the gamble with tax reform. It's why the democrats are scared sh*tless of that bill.

In 2020 I think Trump steps down, and Pence runs, hopefully with Nikki Haley. Unless God answers my prayers and Condaleeza Rice steps up. Lie-awatha will run for the Democats, maybe Sanders too. Can't see anyone else on the horizon, Chris Murphy (God help us) maybe...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

2018: in the senate, the GOP could not have better hand-picked which seats are up for re-election. There are twice as many democrats up for re-election as republicans. And I believe there is one Republican up for re election in a state that Hilary won, and 8 or 9 democrats up in states that Trump won. It would take a major event for the democrats to pick up seats in the senate. And that could happen.

You may be right in the house. Or, if the Dow is at 30,000, unemployment is at 3%, and 80% of Americans are actually seeing a small bump in their net take home pay, they might remember that not a single democrat voted for any of that. That's the gamble with tax reform. It's why the democrats are scared sh*tless of that bill.

In 2020 I think Trump steps down, and Pence runs, hopefully with Nikki Haley. Unless God answers my prayers and Condaleeza Rice steps up. Lie-awatha will run for the Democats, maybe Sanders too. Can't see anyone else on the horizon, Chris Murphy (God help us) maybe...

You are not wrong on the senate, but even if it falls on the same lines one or two seats either way are huge. If Bannon gets involved and makes the gop voters divisive, all bets are off...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You are not wrong on the senate, but even if it falls on the same lines one or two seats either way are huge. If Bannon gets involved and makes the gop voters divisive, all bets are off...
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Unless the economy crashes or we have a 9/11 event, I fail to see how the GOP doesn’t pick up senate seats. There are a few democrats up for re election in states that trump won by double digits. It’s just a horrible set of seats that happen to be up for re election, from the democrat perspective. It’s as if the gop hand picked which seats would be up.

As usual, you make an astute point about Bannon. He could screw the whole thing up.

There are several democrat senators who won purple states in 2012, largely because they rode Obamas coat tails. He can’t help them in 2018. And that will have an effect.


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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Unless the economy crashes or we have a 9/11 event, I fail to see how the GOP doesn’t pick up senate seats. There are a few democrats up for re election in states that trump won by double digits. It’s just a horrible set of seats that happen to be up for re election, from the democrat perspective. It’s as if the gop hand picked which seats would be up.

As usual, you make an astute point about Bannon. He could screw the whole thing up.

There are several democrat senators who won purple states in 2012, largely because they rode Obamas coat tails. He can’t help them in 2018. And that will have an effect.


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You are correct, no Obama coattails, but there are votes that will come over with Trumps polarization. It will be telling who he endorses now and who wants his endorsement in the gop.

It will be an interesting year of politics.
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