Trump infrastructure plan leaked

[Pete F.]

I'm sure they are dialing the FBI right now to find out how.

https://www.constructiondive.com/new...n-trac/515268/

[wdmso]

saw some place he is found of toll roads to pay the private investors
http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...der-trump-plan

Toll roads may surge under a $1 trillion infrastructure proposal being floated by Donald Trump.

there goes your big tax break or extra dollar an hour conservatives have been praising as helping the little guy

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) endorsed the idea

wouldn't a tolls be considered a new Tax

[Nebe]

This leads right back to why I was saying that there is no such thing as a tax cut. That are just playing a shell game here, except the money you would pay in taxes is just going to somewhere else.

What a crock
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[scottw]

did you read the article?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

wouldn't a tolls be considered a new Tax

No.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No.

Correct.

If we kickoff a major infrastructure project (which the previous administration talked about, never got around to), it's going to involve citizens paying for it, that's how the world works. The cement isn't free, the construction crews aren't Habitat For Humanity volunteers. Better for working people to have their raises/bonuses, than to not have them. If someone pays $2,000 a year in tolls, it's still better to have the raise/bonus, than to not have it. Even if that raise gets eaten by tolls, it's better than if they didn't have the raise.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

saw some place he is found of toll roads to pay the private investors
http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...der-trump-plan

Toll roads may surge under a $1 trillion infrastructure proposal being floated by Donald Trump.

there goes your big tax break or extra dollar an hour conservatives have been praising as helping the little guy

If they spend a trillion, that's $3,000 for every one of us. Someone who got a $1 an hour raise, if they are full time, got a raise of $2,000 a year. If the feds take $3,000 from that working Joe, his raise pays for it in 18 months, then he can go back to pocketing the raise.

[Nebe]

What you guys don’t see is the words that are specifically not used. You may see the word “investor”. What you won’t see is “for profit” “return on investment” or “government subsidized corperate handout to enrich the already rich”.

I was in Jamaica a few years ago. The government cut a deal with China to build a massive highway across the island that China owns with a huge toll. No one uses it. They all take the back roads.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

What you guys don’t see is the words that are specifically not used.

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clearly

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I was in Jamaica a few years ago. The government cut a deal with China to build a massive highway across the island that China owns with a huge toll. No one uses it. They all take the back roads.
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You do know that a $100 Jamaican is $0.80 American.

What's the toll on the GW bridge now-a-days?

[Jimbo]

$15 Cash, a little less with EZ-Pass, but with that relatively high fee comes the opportunity to drive on the lovely Cross-Bronx Expressway.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Opportunity????

That's one way of looking at it
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No.

And why no I'd like to hear your reasoning

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Correct.

If we kickoff a major infrastructure project (which the previous administration talked about, never got around to), it's going to involve citizens paying for it, that's how the world works. The cement isn't free, the construction crews aren't Habitat For Humanity volunteers. Better for working people to have their raises/bonuses, than to not have them. If someone pays $2,000 a year in tolls, it's still better to have the raise/bonus, than to not have it. Even if that raise gets eaten by tolls, it's better than if they didn't have the raise.

Were do get your lack of logic ?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do know that a $100 Jamaican is $0.80 American.

What's the toll on the GW bridge now-a-days?

Do you think I am a moron ?
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[Nebe]

If I remmber right, it was $3,500 or $4,000 to take a road that was about the length of the mass Pike. So around $35 USD.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If I remmber right, it was $3,500 or $4,000 to take a road that was about the length of the mass Pike. So around $35 USD.
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Well then you Mis-remembered.

It's $9.80 American for cars.

yes they charge more for trucks, but in comparison a large truck will cost north of $40 end to end on the MA Pike

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Do you think I am a moron ?
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Not at all, but you did say HUGE tolls. just making sure we were on the same page.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Not at all, but you did say HUGE tolls. just making sure we were on the same page.

[Nebe]

At any rate, my point is that if roads are 'for sale' and you drive on those roads, get ready to pay

[Raider Ronnie]

Who the heck goes over the GW bridge ?
I avoid it at all cost and go over the Tappanzee
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Who the heck goes over the GW bridge ?
I avoid it at all cost and go over the Tappanzee
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If nobody goes over it, then why are you avoiding it?

[Sea Dangles]

Nobody goes over it, because it's too crowded.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Nobody goes over it, because it's too crowded.
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That's why I always take the Tappan Zee

[Nebe]

Only government dependent urban liberals use the GWB.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Only government dependent urban liberals use the GWB.
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That would explain why they had nicer vehicles than mine.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Who the heck goes over the GW bridge ?
I avoid it at all cost and go over the Tappanzee
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Sometimes the GWB is the best (particularly late night early morning)

Depends on the time and mission (and Waze)

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That would explain why they had nicer vehicles than mine.

Hahaha

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Sometimes the GWB is the best (particularly late night early morning)

Depends on the time and mission (and Waze)




Hahaha

Back in the winter -spring of 1983-84 I drove to Bayonne NJ almost weekly to play my marching snare drum, leaving Friday evening.
At 1st I was taking rt 95 and eventually over the GW, through NY throughway and eventually to the Jersey turnpike.
Every trip down was an adventure going over that piece of crap bridge and there was always cars on fire, cars on blocks, cars being stripped....
If you ever broke down you were screwed !!!
Started taking 84 to the Tappanzee-garden state pkw
Much better ride.
Been making that trip a handful of times recently and will be a handful more time over the next few months.
The last thing I want to do is go over the GW late at night !!!
The Tappanzee bridge is brand new now also.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Sometimes the GWB is the best (particularly late night early morning)

I remember one time waiting over an hour to get on the bridge from NJ at midnight.

[Jimbo]

I make a lot of trips up to the Cape throughout the year. Generally, leaving NJ between 4-5AM I don't have a problem with the GWB/Cross Bronx.
Back in the late 70's-80's sometimes I'd avoid the GWB/CB completely, and take the Verrazzano, drive to Orient Point and take the ferry!