Trump to meet with Putin

[Nebe]

Putin is coming to scold his bitch
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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Without a translator there could be a communication glitch.
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[Pete F.]

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Yep, follow the money!!!!

[Got Stripers]

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

[Got Stripers]

IMHO the correct statement is to cancel the meeting, but the bromance is too far down the road.
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[spence]

Mueller knows everything. This is going to get interesting very soon.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

For what? Trump to th boot and Pence to take the wheel and steer us to the rapture and gay conversion therapy? Pass.....
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

That’s some nice projection there Scott.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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I call it as I see it.
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[Sea Dangles]

It's become that way for a lot of folks and it's too bad to be portrayed in such a way simply because you don't agree politically. Not the best advertising but obviously shows how wide the gap is, as much as I see things differently than Nebe I always appreciated his perspective. Talk about polarization and then make a statement that seems like it came from Donald himself.
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[wdmso]

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
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President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely >

[Got Stripers]

Russian money, Russian election help, Russian love; who is the happy Racoon face😬
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.

Originally Posted by Nebe

I call it as I see it.
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Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )

Originally Posted by wdmso

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
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President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely >

You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

[PaulS]

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.



Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )



. You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened



The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?


I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened



The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?


I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

Hahaha Wayne.

I am not a Trump supporter. I did not vote for him. I don't like his style, I do not like many of the things he says and does. I do believe some of the things he does are necessary and I believe that he is being unfairly treated by the left and the "Resistance".

I do think that if any R won the election than the left would be all up in a tizzy, maybe not this bad, but still some sort of Resistance #WeAreAllGonnaDieHandmaidensTale or something.

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

(PS - I would like to see Trump cancel the meeting, probably unexpected for a Trumpster like me )

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

With what we know I think so and wouldn’t be surprised if the true scope is even wider. As we’ve discussed Trump won by a very narrow margin.

Comey reopening the investigaton had a big impact also. The FBI really did a terrible job of rigging the election.
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[wdmso]

Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans,

hacks into the Republican committee took place in the spring, at the same time emails from the Democratic National Committee were stolen by hackers thought to be connected to Russian

this is another area that smell fishy I have a hard time thinking the RNC was just better at cybersecurity then the DNC


Trump says Russians were unable to hack the Republican National Committee

But intel states Trumps campaign wasn't targeted ? lets call it odd

[wdmso]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1146661]Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

I would say we have moved passed "enough to change the results?? "

not sure thats quantifiable,, they clearly didn't stuff ballot boxes

But if the Trump campaign actively sought Russian help in discrediting Clinton which seems to have happen...

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

That has always been the bigger issue and the GOP has brushed this aside as opposition research... but they see the steel dossier in a completely different light .. and think 2 FBI agents texts some how discredit the muller investigation... show some crazy desperation

Strzok’s The suggestion that I, in some dark chamber somewhere in the F.B.I., would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards, and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me. It simply couldn’t happen. And the proposition that this is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the F.B.I., deeply corrodes what the F.B.I. is in this society, the effectiveness of their mission, and it is deeply destructive.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1146665]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server.....

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans,

this is because Republicans are actually Russians in disguise...been working on that for decades...SURPRISE!!!

[Pete F.]

[QUOTE=scottw;1146666]

Originally Posted by wdmso

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?

European news didn’t see it as a joke
https://youtu.be/8EZFBB-MntE
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