Make America Rake the forest again

[detbuch]

Trump doesn't come up with these ideas on his own. And his less than eloquent and imprecise way of communicating them doesn't help his image when they're added to by those who wish to call him stupid without researching if he has a point.

Forest mismanagement, especially regarding major forest fires, has been a political issue for at least the past few years.

Various solutions have been offered, such as the one Cool Beans offered here. there are also complaints about not reducing overgrowth by preset, controlled fires.

Trump brings up these problems and solutions in his inimitable way of sounding foolish, which is immediately jumped on by his naysayers, and another clown meme is created.

http://thelens.news/2016/03/03/somet...l-dnr-reforms/

http://thelens.news/2017/01/24/plann...in-washington/

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump doesn't come up with these ideas on his own. And his less than eloquent and imprecise way of communicating them doesn't help his image when they're added to by those who wish to call him stupid without researching if he has a point.

Forest mismanagement, especially regarding major forest fires, has been a political issue for at least the past few years.

Various solutions have been offered, such as the one Cool Beans offered here. there are also complaints about not reducing overgrowth by preset, controlled fires.

Trump brings up these problems and solutions in his inimitable way of sounding foolish, which is immediately jumped on by his naysayers, and another clown meme is created.

http://thelens.news/2016/03/03/somet...l-dnr-reforms/

http://thelens.news/2017/01/24/plann...in-washington/

And why do you think this is suddenly required, do you think climate change might be contributing? Why do you think building codes on our own seaport are changing and disaster planning is having to address flooding in areas they didn’t in years past. Trump thinks the change is only temporary and the scientific community warning us of things to come, just has a hidden political agenda.

You can rake the forest and encourage clear cutting, but those might be just bandages for a short term fix.

I also think that in light of the suffering and losses, that is not the time to be putting the blame on forestry management, but he likes to throw paper towels and hand out leaf rakes in times of dispare.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

And why do you think this is suddenly required, do you think climate change might be contributing? Why do you think building codes on our own seaport are changing and disaster planning is having to address flooding in areas they didn’t in years past. Trump thinks the change is only temporary and the scientific community warning us of things to come, just has a hidden political agenda.

You can rake the forest and encourage clear cutting, but those might be just bandages for a short term fix.

I also think that in light of the suffering and losses, that is not the time to be putting the blame on forestry management, but he likes to throw paper towels and hand out leaf rakes in times of dispare.
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By all means, let us not pay attention to short term fix bandages.

As for the rest, I don't know, you seem to be certain, or more certain than not. I suspect if the people of California want to initiate climate change policies that prevent forest fires, they can do it. We've been told over and over that California is richer than most other countries. It is probably the most progressive State in the union. No doubt the California politicians and government planners are smarter than Trump. They can surely do the long term fix without Trump.

Governor Jerry Brown was appreciative of the work FEMA was doing and thanked Trump for calling attention to the problem. Trump said there will be federal funding for forest management. That there will be state and federal cooperation on the problem.

But, of course, Trump is a clown.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You can rake the forest and encourage clear cutting, but those might be just bandages for a short term fix.

But WRT fires, this has been the proper solution for some time. Why do they do controlled burns from Wareham thru the Cape? Before and independent of Global Warming?

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I also think that in light of the suffering and losses, that is not the time to be putting the blame on forestry management,

Yes, but blaming Trump is OK ; )

I generally can't stand the guy and didn't vote for him. Still not convinced he is worse than she would have been.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But WRT fires, this has been the proper solution for some time. Why do they do controlled burns from Wareham thru the Cape? Before and independent of Global Warming?



Yes, but blaming Trump is OK ; )

I generally can't stand the guy and didn't vote for him. Still not convinced he is worse than she would have been.

I'm not arguing that controlled burns should be part of the solution, clearly that is sound management, but I also see the climate change in that part of the country and the terrain severely limiting the affect that will have. Consider the heat, how dry everything is and then put 70 mph winds up the face of a rugged mountainside and your controlled burns better be a mile wide.

As for beating up on Trump, IMHO the amount of empathy that guy has shown could fit in a shot glass. He's great to try to show some after the media calls him out on comments he's made; but he always seem to want to lay blame on something or somebody well ahead of any empathy shown.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump doesn't come up with these ideas on his own. And his less than eloquent and imprecise way of communicating them doesn't help his image when they're added to by those who wish to call him stupid without researching if he has a point.

Trump brings up these problems and solutions in his inimitable way of sounding foolish, which is immediately jumped on by his naysayers, and another clown meme is created.

After a while one would think Trump would take advantage of the resources available to him to prepare public statements so he is not perceived to be a fool
It’s not the media’s job to interpret his off the cuff remarks as he sees fit
It’s a tough job and he asked for it, nobody made him run
Public perception is a big part of his job and he doesn’t understand that he has to sell to more than his base
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

After a while one would think Trump would take advantage of the resources available to him to prepare public statements so he is not perceived to be a fool

Enough voters did not perceive him to be a fool. And his actual record in business and politics has not been foolish. You may not like him, you may disagree with him, but he has not been foolish. And what those who voted for him wanted from him, he has to a great degree given it to them.

It’s not the media’s job to interpret his off the cuff remarks as he sees fit

It's not the media's job to misinterpret. Often the misinterpretation is so off the mark that it appears to be obvious. So obvious that the media itself looks foolish, or devious. But those who hate him, as is evidenced in spades on this forum, relish making most everything he says a lie, or racist, or homophobic, or misogynist, blah, blah . . . and the media fuels that perception.

It’s a tough job and he asked for it, nobody made him run

When he ran, he ran hard and made his opponents look like fools. Now, it may be foolish to make enemies, but a lot of that cuts both ways.

Public perception is a big part of his job and he doesn’t understand that he has to sell to more than his base
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This notion of "the media's job" is a hoot. I don't know if the media ever did the job we are told it was supposed to do when it comes to politics and Presidents. But, if the real job of corporate media is to make big and bigger profits, then what sells is what it will concoct. And what sells has evolved more and more to be contentiousness and scandal.

And it's no longer believed that those in the media are not biased. Many of them even openly show their bias. And public perception is heavily influenced by media bias. There is nothing Trump can do to persuade the media to paint a favorable picture of him. Except to just shut his mouth and be like a Democrat (again--as in when he was popular with the media).

But this is all obvious, and has been hashed over on the forum so much that it has really become boring.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This notion of "the media's job" is a hoot. I don't know if the media ever did the job we are told it was supposed to do when it comes to politics and Presidents. But, if the real job of corporate media is to make big and bigger profits, then what sells is what it will concoct. And what sells has evolved more and more to be contentiousness and scandal. Trump uses contentiousness and scandal very skillfully

And it's no longer believed By Trump's base that those in the media are not biased. Many of them even openly show their bias. And public perception is heavily influenced by media bias. There is nothing Trump can do to persuade the media, other than state news to paint a favorable picture of him. Except to just shut his mouth and be like a Democrat (again--as in when he was popular with the media).

But this is all obvious, and has been hashed over on the forum so much that it has really become boring.

He would need to act like a man, not the reality tv star he thinks he is.
Words have more consequences in his current position than just ratings, one would hope the job of President as a leader is not purely transactional. It's obvious that you would disagree with that.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He would need to act like a man, not the reality tv star he thinks he is.

wasn't he a reality tv star?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

wasn't he a reality tv star?

He think's that is his job as president
I've done reality TV
It's not real

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He think's that is his job as president
I've done reality TV
It's not real

He think's that is his job as president is being a reality tv star?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He would need to act like a man,

That's a very sexist comment. Is it that good old fashioned manhood preference? Are you saying that acting like a women or a gay or a transgender would not get him positive press coverage? Are you inferring that some sort of male gender way of acting is needed to be "presidential"? Maybe it's because he often acts like a "man" that he is looked at so negatively by leftists, including most of the media.

not the reality tv star he thinks he is.

Do you really think he is acting like a reality TV star? Do you really think he doesn't know how actually real and consequential his actions as President are? I haven't watched reality TV for some time and very little when I did. So I don't know what they act like. But he doesn't appear to me to be acting. I do realize that the image of him acting like a Reality TV Star is a biased meme used to make him appear foolish. And that various media promotes and reinforces that meme.

Words have more consequences in his current position than just ratings, one would hope the job of President as a leader is not purely transactional. It's obvious that you would disagree with that.

Transactions are done with words. As well, words are the content of propaganda. Words are the most useful tool to influence voting. The words that the "normal" politicians, or whatever adjective you might use to describe them, speak with in our political arena are mostly shaded toward deceitful meaning, mostly meant to demean opposition, and are mostly empty or erroneous promises to eliminate societies problems--problems which are often manufactured with words to create perceptions of critical problems needing to be solved and solved only by them and their words.

I think the people hunger for what they think are positive transactions. Many are tired of the empty, contentious, antagonistic, accusatory, ultimately phony words. But many welcome and are energized by those words hurled against their political enemies.

Personally, I have stopped listening to the verbal political pablum. There are a few, key, fundamental things I look for or listen for. The other words, to me, are political speak.

And it appears to me, that for most voters, it's the political speak that wins their vote. It's obvious to me, that you would vote based on correct political speak.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Personally, I have stopped listening to the verbal political pablum. There are a few, key, fundamental things I look for or listen for. The other words, to me, are political speak.

Perhaps Trump and the Trumplicans could pass an Enabling Act and then you would get some more of the fundamental things you need without those pesky constraints or naysayers holding him back, the consequences thereof are of little importance.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps Trump and the Trumplicans could pass an Enabling Act and then you would get some more of the fundamental things you need without those pesky constraints or naysayers holding him back, the consequences thereof are of little importance.

No, an enabling act would destroy the fundamental things on which the Constitution was written. You are really stuck on the Trump equals Hitler meme.