Promises made.......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The president promised you wouldn't pay for the wall, Now he's decided to bring government to a halt because he couldn't keep that promise. Is that fair?

It's an obvious, explicit broken promise. He deserves criticism for that. Do you give him any praise for the promises he has kept? Or do you only care about his failures? Does he have any successes, or are 100% of the good things that have happened since 2016, solely attributable to Obama?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's an obvious, explicit broken promise. He deserves criticism for that.

It wasn’t a broken promise it was a bald faced lie.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It wasn’t a broken promise it was a bald faced lie.
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It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

BUT OBAMA....
BUT OBAMA!!!!!!

You should like a child.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

BUT OBAMA....
BUT OBAMA!!!!!!

You should like a child.
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Nebe, can you tell me why it's not pertinent for me to ask Spence why he calls it a "lie" when Trump fails to meet promises, when he would never, under any circumstance hold Obama to the same standard?

Nebe, it's very easy to lob baseless insults. It's a lot harder to respond to what I'm actually saying, and to show me why I'm wrong. I know that's harder, because you never do it.

The libs refused to criticize Obama for these things, they attack Trump mercilessly for doing some of the same things. And if you point put the naked hypocrisy, you are guilty of whataboutism. So to you Nebe, being a hypocrite isn't a character flaw, but pointing out hypocrisy, is a character flaw. That just makes all kinds of sense.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

"(Obama) had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years."

Agreed. He could have kept his promise, and chose not to.

"There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie."

Also true. It appears you're saying Obama didn't lie about immigration reform, he just chose not to do it. How is that different from Trumps campaign promise about the wall, exactly? It would appear Trump could have done it if he wanted, his party controlled congress, but he chose not to pursue it. To me, it looks exactly like Obama and immigration reform. Both men made promises, both had party control of both chambers of Congress, both seem to have chosen to ignore the promise.

"Trump lies, daily"

He lies a lot, yes. I don't know, and I don't see how you or Spence could know, if hos promise to build a wall was a lie, or a broken campaign promise, which you admit Obama is also guilty of.

"See the difference?"

I see differences in the two men, absolutely. In terms of how Obama handled immigration reform, and how Trump handled construction of the wall? Many more similarities.

Did Obama take responsibility for not doing immigration reform when he had a democrat congress?

Here's a video where Obama was pressed on it. What did he do? he blamed REPUBLICANS. He had control of the house and for a time, a filibuster - proof majority in the Senate! But it's the Republican's fault, not Obama's. In this video, Obama blames everyone but himself, and lies about why it didn't happen. That doesn't remind you of Trump?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

OMG, when you started listing his lies, I was thinking; I don't have time to read all of them I have work to do. He lied about China buying soybeans again to appease the media and farmers, he and Pompeo lie when they say there is no conclusive evidence the Saudi leader ordered the killing, he and his lap dogs lie to make their claims work in Trumps head and to the state news at Fox. Although I have to give congrats to Fox actually asking Pompeo the hard questions about MBS and his involvement.

[wdmso]

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

Alternative facts man... ALTERNATIVE FACKTZ!!!!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

And if Obama said "most of you can keep your doctor or your plan", that would be the end o fit. Obamacare was sold as a plan where we could keep our doctor, and where the average family would save $2500 a year. But it's wrong (and probably racist) for conservatives to bring that up.

We're playing "verbal gymnasitics" when we claim that Obamacare fell short. Incredible.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, zero exceptions.