Don Potus Corleone

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I brought that up because you have used that multiple times to defend him"

Not to defend the awful stuff he does, I have never defended that crap, and I have pointed out my fair share. I use it to show, correctly, that there's more to him than the bad stuff.And hitler made the trains run on time (I know you'll now say I compared Individual 1 to Hitler) but Trump has no record of being generous with all the billions he claims to have.

Lots of wealthy liberals own their own jets. None of them stepped up to help this kid. Trump did. It was a beautiful gesture to me, meaningless to youI never said it was meaningless. But for a billionaire to only be known for that isn't a strong arguement.. Instead of asking why so mane who could have easily helped this kid chose not to, you dismiss the fact that Trump did it.How do you know no one else offered to do it?

The truth, is that there's good and bad. I think he's disgusting. But he's done some good, helped some people in ways that I can't. Everyone tries to do what they can. I think he claimed he was worth $13 B yet no one knows any meaningful donations he has made and instead he used his foundation as a slush fund.

"He and his family are grifters "

Grifter? All those buildings that have his name on them are an illusion?

Still waiting to hear what was vile about what I said.

Yes, grifters (and look up the definition and think of say Trump University and tell me that word isn't what he is). Trying to make money any way they can. He has a reputation of ripping off workers and contracters in the past. I've told you before many of the buidling with his name on them are not his. He manages some and some he owns. Almost all the buildings on the Hudson river with his name on them are not owned or managed by him. When he sold the property he negotiated that his name would be on them.

He hasn't made a contribution to his foundation since like 2009. It's interesting to hear what was said about his foundation by the NY AG.

"Attorney General Barbara Underwood accused it of “a shocking pattern of illegality” that “amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”

Whatever money that remains will be disbursed under the supervision of Ms. Underwood’s office and the judge overseeing the continuing lawsuit her office filed in June, seeking $2.8 million in restitution and a ban on Mr. Trump and his three oldest children serving on the boards of other nonprofit organizations.
In a series of stories exposing the foundation’s true nature, The Washington Post found that its largest donation was to fix a fountain in front of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, which Mr. Trump owned at the time, that its funds were used to buy a portrait of Mr. Trump, and that it illegally provided political donations and paid for personal legal settlements.

All this comes just days after prosecutors announced that they believed that Mr. Trump had conspired with the owner of The National Enquirer and his fixer Michael Cohen to violate campaign finance laws by paying hush money to two women who said they had affairs with him. It’s also just been reported that prosecutors are investigating spending by the Trump inaugural committee. The president still faces lawsuits on the constitutionality of his enriching himself while in office. Meanwhile, the special counsel’s inquiry may be expanding rather than winding down. "

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Still waiting to hear what was vile about what I said.

Yes, grifters (and look up the definition and think of say Trump University and tell me that word isn't what he is). Trying to make money any way they can. He has a reputation of ripping off workers and contracters in the past. I've told you before many of the buidling with his name on them are not his. He manages some and some he owns. Almost all the buildings on the Hudson river with his name on them are not owned or managed by him. When he sold the property he negotiated that his name would be on them.

He hasn't made a contribution to his foundation since like 2009. It's interesting to hear what was said about his foundation by the NY AG.

"Attorney General Barbara Underwood accused it of “a shocking pattern of illegality” that “amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”

Whatever money that remains will be disbursed under the supervision of Ms. Underwood’s office and the judge overseeing the continuing lawsuit her office filed in June, seeking $2.8 million in restitution and a ban on Mr. Trump and his three oldest children serving on the boards of other nonprofit organizations.
In a series of stories exposing the foundation’s true nature, The Washington Post found that its largest donation was to fix a fountain in front of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, which Mr. Trump owned at the time, that its funds were used to buy a portrait of Mr. Trump, and that it illegally provided political donations and paid for personal legal settlements.

All this comes just days after prosecutors announced that they believed that Mr. Trump had conspired with the owner of The National Enquirer and his fixer Michael Cohen to violate campaign finance laws by paying hush money to two women who said they had affairs with him. It’s also just been reported that prosecutors are investigating spending by the Trump inaugural committee. The president still faces lawsuits on the constitutionality of his enriching himself while in office. Meanwhile, the special counsel’s inquiry may be expanding rather than winding down. "

"And hitler made the trains run on time "

There you go. Pointing out a wonderful gesture that Trump made, to you, is analogous to complimenting Hitler.

"Trump has no record of being generous "

Tell that to the parents of the boy whose life might have been saved because Trump donated the use of his jet, he also gave away his POTUS salary. I have no doubt that I'd give far more away than he does. That doesn't mean he has no record of being generous.

"Everyone tries to do what they can"

Not on this planet they don't.

He' snot a good guy, and Trump University is a great example of that.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"And hitler made the trains run on time "

There you go. Pointing out a wonderful gesture that Trump made, to you, is analogous to complimenting Hitler.

"Trump has no record of being generous "

Tell that to the parents of the boy whose life might have been saved because Trump donated the use of his jet, he also gave away his POTUS salaryabout $400K/year and he said he has $13B. Not a high %. I have no doubt that I'd give far more away than he does. That doesn't mean he has no record of being generous.

"Everyone tries to do what they can"

Not on this planet they don't. I think the vast majority of people try to help others.

He' snot a good guy, and Trump University is a great example of that.

You seem to miss the point of the use of Hitler/Trains and the plane ride. The following is from a Univ. of Oxford ethics professor:

Well, they say of Mussolini, at least he made the trains run on time.

Actually, that’s disputed, but that’s by-the-by. While watching the telly, I was struck by a remark of Scotland’s First Minister, Alex Salmond, on the resignation of the leader of Scotland’s Roman Catholic community, Cardinal Keith O’Brien following allegation of sexual misconduct. “It would be a great pity if a lifetime of positive work was lost from comment in the circumstances of his resignation”, said Salmond.

This was a few days ago, before O’Brien admitted to ‘misbehaviour’. Even so, it seemed to me to be a premature and injudicious remark. (And Salmond praised him in other comments too). We still don’t know much about the allegations against O’Brien, not do we know whether others will come forward with additional accusations. The scale of O’Brien’s ‘misbehaviour’ is, at the time of writing, unclear…he may well be guilty of not very much.

However, I would have thought we need such information before we can weigh it in the balance against his good deeds. No life is unrelentingly bad. Just as no life is incessantly good. All lives have at least some good and some bad. In some lives, the bad massively overshadows the good. In such circumstances, we tend – quite rightly in my view – to ignore the good. We do this on grounds of taste. We would object – again quite rightly, in my view – to a person who said “well yes, but putting aside the Jews and the gays, and the torture and the invasions and the war, Adolf did build some marvellous autobahns”. And similar comments would be misplaced even for criminals on a much smaller scale…“it would be a shame if in all the allegations of rape and assault we forgot Jimmy Savile’s tremendous contribution to popular television”.

As I say, we don’t know very much about the O’Brien case. But, sometimes it is not ‘a pity’ to disregard ‘positive work’. It’s the right thing to do.