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12-22-2018, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
speaking of imbeciles ever hear of research
At the end of the Bush administration, when the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, was negotiated, setting 2011 as the end of the United States’ military role, officials had said the deadline was set for political reasons, to put a symbolic end to the occupation and establish Iraq’s sovereignty.
Mr. Obama was willing to support a continued military presence. In June, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that Mr. Obama had told Mr. Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies.
the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.
Acutely aware of that sentiment, the Iraqi leadership quickly said publicly that they would not support legal protections for any American troops.
So are you suggesting we should have used force and stayed .... its their country PS did anyone have a crystal ball to foresee the future ?? hindsight is always 20\20 and a provided a weak position for criticism years after
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he could have tried getting another sofa, a lot of people thought he should
have. but because we’re talking about obama, everyone who disagrees with, is an idiot and a racist, while everyone who disagrees with trump, is legitimate and righteous.
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12-23-2018, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
he could have tried getting another sofa, a lot of people thought he should
have. but because we’re talking about obama, everyone who disagrees with, is an idiot and a racist, while everyone who disagrees with trump, is legitimate and righteous.
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he did but it was not a priority... but again your criticizing a past choice
based on outcomes that happened years later with the assumption if we hadn't left things would be different .
The issue with trump and syria it the leaving the kurds hanging them out to dry against the Turks because Recep Tayyip Erdoğanand asked (another strong man he likes )
the image we dont help those who help us is the real issue not so much the the fear of ISIS making a comeback because of it |
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12-23-2018, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
he did but it was not a priority... but again your criticizing a past choice
based on outcomes that happened years later with the assumption if we hadn't left things would be different .
The issue with trump and syria it the leaving the kurds hanging them out to dry against the Turks because Recep Tayyip Erdoğanand asked (another strong man he likes )
the image we dont help those who help us is the real issue not so much the the fear of ISIS making a comeback because of it
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oh, where is it written that we shouldn’t criticize a past choice?
Do you listen to yourself?
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12-23-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
choice?
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Oh my god another trigger word !!
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12-23-2018, 08:08 AM
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Oh my god another trigger word !!
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but not a trigger word when WDMSO said it...
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12-23-2018, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
oh, where is it written that we shouldn’t criticize a past choice?
Do you listen to yourself?
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you can criticize a past choice? all you want
However to use that past choice , in defence of Trump's current choice which is completely different shows a lack of understanding for the reasons people like Mattis and others have walked away
you use whataboutism to defend anything Trump does Asking the senate to change the rules you throw out harry reid as only the dems used it
In recent years, whataboutism made a comeback in Vladimir Putin's Russia, and has also seen a rise in usage by Donald Trump and his support base
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12-23-2018, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
In recent years, whataboutism made a comeback
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nope...only in like the last 6 months when you started using the term incessantly  |
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12-23-2018, 01:51 PM
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nope...only in like the last 6 months when you started using the term incessantly |
To bad it wasn't I who made that claim
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Analysts have been dinging Trump for whataboutism for months, particularly in recent weeks. |
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