alternative to wall

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How would we be ever able to support all those states who vote Republican as they don't pay their own way? Simple economics means you don't spend $ when experts are telling you there are cheaper and more effective ways to accomplish something.

cheaper and more effective to stop the flow of those cutting in line to suck on the government tete. If you want to spend our tax money allowing illegal immigrants to get healthcare and medicare or medicaid while citizens who worked their whole lives and paid into the system one day have a stroke and need to go into a facility but get told sell all your assets, raise all the funds to pay for it and then you can get your entitled benefit, that is what you choose to support. I do not. That is just one part of what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

cheaper and more effective to stop the flow of those cutting in line to suck on the government tete. If you want to spend our tax money allowing illegal immigrants to get healthcare and medicare or medicaid while citizens who worked their whole lives and paid into the system one day have a stroke and need to go into a facility but get told sell all your assets, raise all the funds to pay for it and then you can get your entitled benefit, that is what you choose to support. I do not. That is just one part of what I am talking about.

Posts like this are funny, none of this is true.
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[Slipknot]

ya I know, fake news and all
people lie all the time yada yada yada

just admit that progressivism has no end, it goes after more and more and never ends

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

ya I know, fake news and all
people lie all the time yada yada yada

just admit that progressivism has no end, it goes after more and more and never ends

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

Hey, just apply the "document" con, and the selectively applied law con, and the statistic con, and the talking point con, and the compassion con, and the "most people believe" con, and the racist sexist, multi-phobe con, the fact check con, the WAPOST, NYT, CNN, liberal media con, the Trump is biggest liar of all time con, the endless number of genders con, the living breathing Constitution con, the right wing is Nazi, Fascist con, and the con only applies to Trump con . . . and you have the foundation for a slick big con.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

Why wouldn't an American citizen be entitled to benefits?

The cost/benefit issue has been studied a million times...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Why wouldn't an American citizen be entitled to benefits?

The cost/benefit issue has been studied a million times...

and liars like you can make data say what they want it to say. 10-20 million people, with no education or skills, who don’t speak english. producing millions and
millions and millions of
kids who are american citizens, but on whom we will
spend billions and billions in education, ESL resources, subsidized food, medicine, healthcare, housing.

it’s obvious that it’s a massive financial drain.

soemce, my town will spend 39k a year to educate my 3 kids, for 13 years. that’s 507k, and
my kids get NOTHING extra - no special
help or services whatsoever. it will take
me decades of paying enormous taxes, just to cover the education cost. illegalsmpay less in taxes than i do, and utilize far more services. it’s not anywhere close to a break even proposition. we need kire police and fire departments, we build more schools...it’s absurd.

and i’m talking about welfare. social
m security is not welfare, from where i sit, it’s a ripoff for
many people who are forced to participate. sonstating tjat illegals don’t receive SS, doesn’t make them bargains. Retirees who collect SS paid into it their whole lives.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

After looking at your link, nice source by the way, I’d note it cites the same data we debunked a few weeks ago as not reinforcing your point. Read, think.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

After looking at your link, nice source by the way, I’d note it cites the same data we debunked a few weeks ago as not reinforcing your point. Read, think.
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you don’t like the source.

Do the kids of illegals qualify for welfare, yes or no.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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Social security? You are talking out your ass

When employers deduct SS and sent it in and the number does not exist or match, the money is returned to the employer because it has no place to be assigned to. What do you think it just goes into the general fund? I thought you know how things work.

The services they cost us are higher than you think. If you want more of them here, have at it. I am just telling you the truth.

documented where by law?

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

Social security? You are talking out your ass

When employers deduct SS and sent it in and the number does not exist or match, the money is returned to the employer because it has no place to be assigned to. What do you think it just goes into the general fund? I thought you know how things work.

The services they cost us are higher than you think. If you want more of them here, have at it. I am just telling you the truth.

documented where by law?

This isn’t true. If there’s a mismatch between an SSN and name the money is held by the government in an earnings suspense file account.

I believe the SS amount illegals pay is believed to be something like 5 or 6 billion a year.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn’t true. If there’s a mismatch between an SSN and name the money is held by the government in an earnings suspense file account.

I believe the SS amount illegals pay is believed to be something like 5 or 6 billion a year.
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then the people I know who had it returned must have been lucky

sounds like a good place to use the money to build a wall

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security
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why would illegal immigrants get social security?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Posts like this are funny, none of this is true.
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How was that wrong? Just this week, the governors of CA and NY were on TV, promising free healthcare to illegals...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

cheaper and more effective to stop the flow of those cutting in line to suck on the government tete. If you want to spend our tax money allowing illegal immigrants to get healthcare and medicare or medicaid while citizens who worked their whole lives and paid into the system one day have a stroke and need to go into a facility but get told sell all your assets, raise all the funds to pay for it and then you can get your entitled benefit, that is what you choose to support. I do not. That is just one part of what I am talking about.

This logic is the same as saying “hand guns save lives”.

I mean...they kind of do. But...
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