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04-19-2019, 06:25 AM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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04-19-2019, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Based on what Mueller stated in the report, it’s shocking to me Barr could possibly state definitively there is no evidence to support obstruction of justice. Trump ran for president to promote the Trump brand plan and simply and brought his private sector criminal behavior to the Oval Office. If any of us did what Trump did as reported, you would be looking for a good lawyer. The DOJ position you can not indite a sitting president clearly is why Mueller decided to put this in the hands of congress, in spite of all the evidence to support it; in spite of Barr’s boot licking spin.
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It’s pretty simple. Barr was hired to cover up wrong doing.
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04-19-2019, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
It’s pretty simple. Barr was hired to cover up wrong doing.
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so what about the fact
that Mueller indicted no one for collusion? does that mean anything? for two years, we were told that Mueller would have the final, conclusive word. funny how that changed.
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04-20-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
so what about the fact
that Mueller indicted no one for collusion? does that mean anything? for two years, we were told that Mueller would have the final, conclusive word. funny how that changed.
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You can't indict someone for collusion. The bar for criminal conspiracy was set very high and the report clearly states that encrypted messaging apps and rampant dishonesty impaired the investigation.
But that being said, do you take comfort in the fact that the campaign actively encouraged and benefited from Russian election meddling, that the campaign and Trump helped to cover up the Russian actions, that they had highly unusual amount of Russian contacts and lied repeatedly about all of them, that they lied repeatedly to American voters etc... etc... you're good with all of this just because nobody was indicted for conspiracy?
And for those claiming there's nothing there, weren't there over 30 indictments handed out? Didn't the investigation spin off 14 other investigations 12 of which we know little about?
The obstruction case laid out in the report is incredibly damning to Trump personally. I don't know if the House will actually move forward with impeachment for political reasons, but the blueprint for the case is there and it's pretty clear.
As Dan York who's no liberal said yesterday. If every American were to just skim through the report there's no chance Trump would get reelected.
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04-20-2019, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
You can't indict someone for collusion. The bar for criminal conspiracy was set very high and the report clearly states that encrypted messaging apps and rampant dishonesty impaired the investigation.
But that being said, do you take comfort in the fact that the campaign actively encouraged and benefited from Russian election meddling, that the campaign and Trump helped to cover up the Russian actions, that they had highly unusual amount of Russian contacts and lied repeatedly about all of them, that they lied repeatedly to American voters etc... etc... you're good with all of this just because nobody was indicted for conspiracy?
And for those claiming there's nothing there, weren't there over 30 indictments handed out? Didn't the investigation spin off 14 other investigations 12 of which we know little about?
The obstruction case laid out in the report is incredibly damning to Trump personally. I don't know if the House will actually move forward with impeachment for political reasons, but the blueprint for the case is there and it's pretty clear.
As Dan York who's no liberal said yesterday. If every American were to just skim through the report there's no chance Trump would get reelected.
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You seem terribly agitated. I fear for your mental /emotional condition if Trump actually committed a crime.
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04-20-2019, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
You seem terribly agitated. I fear for your mental /emotional condition if Trump actually committed a crime.
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Weak.
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04-20-2019, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Weak.
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Probably stronger than whatever point you were trying to make.
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04-20-2019, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
You can't indict someone for collusion.
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Then why bother with an investigation into it?
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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04-29-2019, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Then why bother with an investigation into it?
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Please pay attention.
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04-29-2019, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Please pay attention.
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Says the guy that took nine days to respond.
Wit not so quick these days, huh?
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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05-01-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
It’s pretty simple. Barr was hired to cover up wrong doing.
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Maybe. Or maybe there was no wrongdoing that rises to criminality.
Mueller has SUPPOSEDLY said that Barr's letter was not inaccurate. Can't someone just ask Mueller that for the record, and end this?
Also, you conveniently left out that Mueller had the authority to indict, right? But chose not to. Presumably there was a reason for that.
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