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06-18-2019, 02:01 PM
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Ledge Runner Baits
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The irony is that if one of their family members behaved like Trump at the weekend cookouts, it would be all over for that member; he or she would likely be read the riot act, or if they didn't change, they would be off the invite list to future family gatherings.
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06-18-2019, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
The irony is that if one of their family members behaved like Trump at the weekend cookouts, it would be all over for that member; he or she would likely be read the riot act, or if they didn't change, they would be off the invite list to future family gatherings.
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you’re right, i wouldn’t want him
in my family. Fortunately for
me, the election wasn’t a contest about which one of them was going to be adopted into my family. The election was to see who would
run the country. it would
be nice if our POTUS was a
man of deep
ethics, but much more important that it be someone who grows the economy and keeps us safe.
the real irony, is that all these trump haters act like morals are all that matters in a presidential contest. didn’t stop you all from endlessly attacking bush and romney, who are deeply ethical men.
no principles. none. just use whatever is available
to bash the republican.
if character was on the ballot in 2016 i missed it.
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06-18-2019, 02:45 PM
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There is no comparison between Trump and any other politician, thankfully. It is necessary that our President be a man with some ethics. A little empathy is also helpful. What is not acceptable is an ignorant buffoon who's word is not good. Some will say he has kept his campaign promises but that is largely limited to those that could be accomplished without the cooperation of others by executive order. He has had minimal legislative success, but is attempting end runs around Congress to make up for his lack of negotiating skill.
The least problematic part is the lack of originality of Donald Trump’s words. During his presidency, Trump has uttered no beautiful and memorable phrases. His inaugural address, is remembered, for the phrase American carnage and Trump’s description of a dystopian nation, broken and shattered. More problematic is that many of Trump’s utterances are babble. If you read the transcript of many of his interviews and off the cuff speeches, you find that Trump is not only unable to often lay out a coherent argument; at times he’s unable to string together sentences that make sense.
When it comes to dealing with those who oppose him, he consistently uses words to demean, belittle, bully, or dehumanize. He has mocked former prisoners of war, the disabled, and the appearance of women. He has attacked Gold Star parents and widows. And he has engaged in racially tinged attacks. The number of his targets is inexhaustible because Trump’s brutishness is inexhaustible.
Many other presidents have been viewed as divisive, but Trump provokes for it's own sake; delighting in turning Americans against one another in order to turn them against one another. He seems to think he gains a political advantage in dividing us.
Trump’s words are bad enough, but the greatest cause for concern is his nonstop, dawn-to-midnight assault on facts, truth, reality. That places Trump in a category all his own.
Many politicians are guilty of not telling the full truth of events. But only very few—and only the most dangerous—are committed to destroying the very idea of truth itself by using the big lie. We saw it Day One of the Trump presidency, when he insisted—and sent out his press secretary to insist—that the crowd size at his inauguration was larger than that of Barack Obama’s, despite photographic evidence to the contrary. And that behavior has continued almost every day since.
He lies at will. He lies all the time. He lies on purpose. He lies as a way of life. He lies about things big & small. He lies with impunity. He lies with the direct intent to distract, fool, and deceive his supporters.
In a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Trump said, “And just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.” In other words, who are you going to believe—me or your lyin’ eyes?
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06-18-2019, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
There is no comparison between Trump and any other politician, thankfully. It is necessary that our President be a man with some ethics. A little empathy is also helpful. What is not acceptable is an ignorant buffoon who's word is not good. Some will say he has kept his campaign promises but that is largely limited to those that could be accomplished without the cooperation of others by executive order. He has had minimal legislative success, but is attempting end runs around Congress to make up for his lack of negotiating skill.
The least problematic part is the lack of originality of Donald Trump’s words. During his presidency, Trump has uttered no beautiful and memorable phrases. His inaugural address, is remembered, for the phrase American carnage and Trump’s description of a dystopian nation, broken and shattered. More problematic is that many of Trump’s utterances are babble. If you read the transcript of many of his interviews and off the cuff speeches, you find that Trump is not only unable to often lay out a coherent argument; at times he’s unable to string together sentences that make sense.
When it comes to dealing with those who oppose him, he consistently uses words to demean, belittle, bully, or dehumanize. He has mocked former prisoners of war, the disabled, and the appearance of women. He has attacked Gold Star parents and widows. And he has engaged in racially tinged attacks. The number of his targets is inexhaustible because Trump’s brutishness is inexhaustible.
Many other presidents have been viewed as divisive, but Trump provokes for it's own sake; delighting in turning Americans against one another in order to turn them against one another. He seems to think he gains a political advantage in dividing us.
Trump’s words are bad enough, but the greatest cause for concern is his nonstop, dawn-to-midnight assault on facts, truth, reality. That places Trump in a category all his own.
Many politicians are guilty of not telling the full truth of events. But only very few—and only the most dangerous—are committed to destroying the very idea of truth itself by using the big lie. We saw it Day One of the Trump presidency, when he insisted—and sent out his press secretary to insist—that the crowd size at his inauguration was larger than that of Barack Obama’s, despite photographic evidence to the contrary. And that behavior has continued almost every day since.
He lies at will. He lies all the time. He lies on purpose. He lies as a way of life. He lies about things big & small. He lies with impunity. He lies with the direct intent to distract, fool, and deceive his supporters.
In a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Trump said, “And just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.” In other words, who are you going to believe—me or your lyin’ eyes?
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no beautiful or memorable phrases? who gives a sh*t? you’d rather have a poet who can’t lead effectively?
you crack me up.
what were Hilary’s most eloquent, memorable quotable statements from her campaign? when she pretended to be black that time when she was speaking to blacks ( i ain’t no ways tired, or whatever the hell she said...). or the deplorables statement describing half the country?
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06-19-2019, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
no beautiful or memorable phrases? who gives a sh*t? you’d rather have a poet who can’t lead effectively?
you crack me up.
what were Hilary’s most eloquent, memorable quotable statements from her campaign? when she pretended to be black that time when she was speaking to blacks ( i ain’t no ways tired, or whatever the hell she said...). or the deplorables statement describing half the country?
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Still stuck in 2016, I see.
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06-19-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Still stuck in 2016, I see.
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so nothing that happened before trump, matters? if you didn’t care that obama did something but go berserk when trump does the same thing, it’s not legitimate to point that out? it’s not valid o question the glaring double standard?
Who announced that all pre-existing rules and standards were thrown out the window, on the day Trump took office? I missed that announcement I guess.
Where are the concentration camps where millions of illegals are being slaughtered? I can’t find any stories about them, but it must be true, right? AOC said he set up concentration camps, and i haven’t seen anyone except foxnews say she’s lying. and you can’t trust foxnews, right? So where are these death camps? or was AOC lying, and the mainstream
media refuses to say so? Which is it?
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06-19-2019, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
so nothing that happened before trump, matters? if you didn’t care that obama did something but go berserk when trump does the same thing, it’s not legitimate to point that out? it’s not valid o question the glaring double standard?
You're the one who's head keeps exploding, claiming that but Hillary etc. as justification for Trump. And now it's Obama
Who announced that all pre-existing rules and standards were thrown out the window, on the day Trump took office? I missed that announcement I guess.
https://www.brookings.edu/interactiv...the-trump-era/
Where are the concentration camps where millions of illegals are being slaughtered? I can’t find any stories about them, but it must be true, right? AOC said he set up concentration camps, and i haven’t seen anyone except foxnews say she’s lying. and you can’t trust foxnews, right? So where are these death camps? or was AOC lying, and the mainstream
media refuses to say so? Which is it?
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Where did you come up with "death camps"? Are you claiming AOC said that? or hallucinating with the TDS that you keep projecting onto others?
Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, has a more global definition.
“We have what I would call a concentration camp system,” Pitzer says, “and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial.”
"What's required is a little bit of demystification of it," says Waitman Wade Beorn, a Holocaust and genocide studies historian and a lecturer at the University of Virginia. "Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz. Concentration camps in general have always been designed—at the most basic level—to separate one group of people from another group. Usually, because the majority group, or the creators of the camp, deem the people they're putting in it to be dangerous or undesirable in some way."
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06-19-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Still stuck in 2016, I see.
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so things that were totally acceptable for all previous presidents to do, are not acceptable for trump to do. that’s what you’re saying...different standards for Trump. nice to see one of you admit it.
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06-18-2019, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
When it comes to dealing with those who oppose him, he consistently uses words to demean
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Obama: Republicans gotta stop just hatin' all the time.
Hilary: republicans are racist, homophobic, sexist, basket of deplorables.
Biden (addressing blacks): Republicans want to put y'all back in chains. ( note the use of the word y'all, when addressing blacks. I guess Biden thought they wouldn't have comprehended if he used more elegant language)
You have zip to say about these statements, but lots to say when Trump is mean to those with whom he disagrees.
Republican=bad, democrat=good, no exceptions. We get it.
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06-18-2019, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
In a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Trump said, “And just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”
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He has no point? CNN didn't say that he personally told Cohen to lie to Congress (debunked)?
CNN and MSNBC didn't promise indictments on collusion for two years?
Look at the way the media portrays everything that's political. Ask that Sandman kid from Kentucky, they made him out to be James Earl Ray. Sean Hannity, on the other side, is a compulsive liar. You don't think their cumulative credibility is right around zero?
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06-19-2019, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
He has no point? CNN didn't say that he personally told Cohen to lie to Congress (debunked)?
CNN and MSNBC didn't promise indictments on collusion for two years?
Look at the way the media portrays everything that's political. Ask that Sandman kid from Kentucky, they made him out to be James Earl Ray. Sean Hannity, on the other side, is a compulsive liar. You don't think their cumulative credibility is right around zero?
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Read the Mueller report
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