Donald Trump's July Fourth

[wdmso]

I see Nationalist propaganda. for special audience (himself) and his base

So let see since our resident Trump Fan club think about

Trump making 4th of July his bitch..

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I see Nationalist propaganda.

[Got Stripers]

Lots of VA hospitals and centers could use the money this draft dodger is going to spent so he can impress his buddy Kim and himself of course. Veterans across this country in need could benefit better by spending those dollars elsewhere, don’t need to impress me or bolster my patriotism, caulk up another stupid move.
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[Jim in CT]

flags and servicemen marching and celebrations of who we are, on our nations birthday, are nationalist propaganda.

the TDS is strong in you. try lightening up.
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[Pete F.]

It will be a gaudy TRUMP extravaganza, replete with tanks on the mall, “USA” spelled out across the sky, a rendering of the president’s massive hands with USA tattooed across the palm, a musical extravaganza hosted by Uncle Jesse from Full House, an “enormous” American flag, and a “special appearance” by the Sesame Street muppets. (Only one item in that list is made-up, the rest were provided, unironically, by the Department of Interior).
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[JohnR]

Couple things, first disclaimer, I think a vast military parade is stupid. Running Tanks through your Capital is bot terribly impressive, and nothing like running your tanks through someone else's capital - that's impressive (and relax, a joke ; ) )

First - this is not a Commie style May Day parade for crying out loud. Not a few divisions Goosestepping. About 20 fixed wing aircraft, some rotary, a dozen tracks.

Second - This is SMALLER than the RI ANG Air Show. A little silly but it is not that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Lots of VA hospitals and centers could use the money this draft dodger is going to spent so he can impress his buddy Kim and himself of course. Veterans across this country in need could benefit better by spending those dollars elsewhere, don’t need to impress me or bolster my patriotism, caulk up another stupid move.
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Everyone will need this money once Dems instill nationalized healthcare. Think the VA can screew up health care for several millions of Americans, wait until they screw it up on grand scale.

And we won't have money for this because we will be giving it to everyone that comes here in benefits and healthcare.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Lots of VA hospitals and centers could use the money this draft dodger is going to spent so he can impress his buddy Kim and himself of course. Veterans across this country in need could benefit better by spending those dollars elsewhere, don’t need to impress me or bolster my patriotism, caulk up another stupid move.
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A stupid move would be spending that money on an illegal intruder instead of on the good ole USA!
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

A stupid move would be spending that money on an illegal intruder instead of on the good ole USA!
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How about all the billions of dollars we give to Israel? Oh.. they all have free healthcare.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How about all the billions of dollars we give to Israel? Oh.. they all have free healthcare.
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They are under attack by Democrats and need all the help they can get ; )

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Second - This is SMALLER than the RI ANG Air Show. A little silly but it is not that big of a deal.

But, but TRUMP, it has to be A big deal. There's gotta be something wrong with this, there just has to be.

This celebration is going to destroy our democracy and turn us into the fourth reich.

I heard there was going to be a float with midgets dressed as illegal immigrants that fly over a wall when shot out of a catapult.

It's gonna be Yuge
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[Sea Dangles]

This could be the code red Spence has been predicting!
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

They are under attack by Democrats and need all the help they can get ; )

How about a serious answer.
Why should my tax dollars do to a country that has free healthcare for all ?

America first? Bullshinola
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[wdmso]

I think some are missing the historical background of the 4th ...

And refuse to see Trumps politicalization and weaponizing of our independence. for his own political gain... yet again with minimizations like its smaller than the RI Air show... (not the point)

Flag waving or owning a flag or flag anything... is now a limitus test presented by republicans to separate and define what Real americans look like ...

the Nike shoe outrage is a clear example it's not even an american flag It’s the Betsy Ross flag, used by white supremacists. Nazis ... yet the story shows up the day before the 4th .. amazing

@tedcruz
Follow Follow @tedcruz
More Ted Cruz Retweeted The Wall Street Journal
It’s a good thing @Nike only wants to sell sneakers to people who hate the American flag.... @NFL #HappyFourth

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How about all the billions of dollars we give to Israel? Oh.. they all have free healthcare.
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Your anti semitism is showing.
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[wdmso]

all this have actually happened in varying degrees ... compliments of Bill Maher

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

all this have actually happened in varying degrees ... compliments of Bill Maher

president for life? state run tv? if
1% of the population watches fox on a good night, how is that state run tv? 90% of the coverage on other networks is negative. that's state run tv?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

But, but TRUMP, it has to be A big deal. There's gotta be something wrong with this, there just has to be.

This celebration is going to destroy our democracy and turn us into the fourth reich.

I heard there was going to be a float with midgets dressed as illegal immigrants that fly over a wall when shot out of a catapult.

It's gonna be Yuge
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There are people screaming about tanks on the Washington Mall, Coup de tatrs and such, it was a couple Low Boys with Bradleys (The Tanks come later).

Originally Posted by Nebe

How about a serious answer.
Why should my tax dollars do to a country that has free healthcare for all ?

America first? Bullshinola
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Our country spends poorly regardless of administration. Join me in bringing spending back to what the constitution allows for and a lot less for other things.

I will happily give you non-sarcical answers but that would assume you are willing to enter into a debate without sarc

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

president for life? state run tv? if
1% of the population watches fox on a good night, how is that state run tv? 90% of the coverage on other networks is negative. that's state run tv?
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We really are effed up. Not sure we can fix it this time, gawd I hope we can fix it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

president for life? state run tv? if
1% of the population watches fox on a good night, how is that state run tv? 90% of the coverage on other networks is negative. that's state run tv?
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Here is a comparison between North Korean TV and Fox

Unfortunately it's on Twitter, not YouTube so it won't play automatically.

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/sta...910327814?s=21

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here is a comparison between North Korean TV and Fox

Unfortunately it's on Twitter, not YouTube so it won't play automatically.

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/sta...910327814?s=21

one percent of the country watches fox. far more people
watch the other networks in total, and the coverage there is overwhelmingly negative. and there are people
at fox who don’t like
him.

i’m not denying that fox is very sympathetic to trump. the rest of the networks hate him. so i can’t fathom how you’d say that in the aggregate, american networks are state run tv.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

There are people screaming about tanks on the Washington Mall, Coup de tatrs and such, it was a couple Low Boys with Bradleys (The Tanks come later).



Our country spends poorly regardless of administration. Join me in bringing spending back to what the constitution allows for and a lot less for other things.

I will happily give you non-sarcical answers but that would assume you are willing to enter into a debate without sarc




We really are effed up. Not sure we can fix it this time, gawd I hope we can fix it.

not getting fixed in 2020.
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[wdmso]

Heads. In the sand .. with all historical comparisons. And because it hasn't happened .. talking about is ok.. if the last potus did any of my list OMG .. but now .. not so much
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Heads. In the sand .. with all historical comparisons. And because it hasn't happened .. talking about is ok.. if the last potus did any of my list OMG .. but now .. not so much
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Depends - would Obama send a BCT down the Mall with squadrons of fighters and bombers? Yeh - that would be excessive.

Or would Obama send the equivalent of what Trump is sending, not a big deal.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

one percent of the country watches fox. far more people
watch the other networks in total, and the coverage there is overwhelmingly negative. and there are people
at fox who don’t like
him.

i’m not denying that fox is very sympathetic to trump. the rest of the networks hate him. so i can’t fathom how you’d say that in the aggregate, american networks are state run tv.
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When did i say you’d say that in the aggregate, american networks are state run tv.

Your 1% number is very misleading at best.

What counts is the percentage of total viewers in the US, not all americans are watching any TV and fewer yet are watching news.

Fox at 2.4m is very close to equal to MSNBC and CNN combined

Fox News averaged 2.4 million primetime viewers to rank as the most-watched network in all of basic cable from 8-11 p.m. ET. MSNBC came in second place with an average of 1.7 million, while TNT, ESPN, and HGTV rounded out the top five.The lowly CNN finished fifteenth, averaging only 761,000 primetime viewers and finishing behind channels such as Discovery and the Food Network.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

When did i say you’d say that in the aggregate, american networks are state run tv.



Fox at 2.4m is very close to equal to MSNBC and CNN combined

you left out abc, nbc, cbs. conveniently.

fox is one piece of the pie, and is bet their coverage of trump
isn’t as biased in favor of him, to the degree that everyone else is biased against him. but i don’t watch much.
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, from a harvard university study ( not a conservative place). trumps coverage more than 90% negative CNN and NBC, and CBS, 52% negative on Fox.

sure, state run tv.

the data is old. but it’s clear.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.804a08bd44d0
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you left out abc, nbc, cbs. conveniently.

fox is one piece of the pie, and is bet their coverage of trump
isn’t as biased in favor of him, to the degree that everyone else is biased against him. but i don’t watch much.
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I've never seen any host denigrate Trump at the same level that Hannity, Pirro, Dobbs, Carlson, Regan, etc. praise him.

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/sta...910327814?s=21

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I've never seen any host denigrate Trump at the same level that Hannity, Pirro, Dobbs, Carlson, Regan, etc. praise him.

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/sta...910327814?s=21

well, maybe Harvard did a slightly more thorough analysis than just asking you what you thought.

the only one of those people
i ever watch, is Carlson. He criticizes trump all the time. constantly. hannity is blind, no doubt. Tucker Carlson? Come on.

people on other networks constantly say he’s a racist, and constantly say he’s a threat to our democratic institutions.
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[PaulS]

Trump had tickets distributed to the RNC but nothing for the DNC. Shows what a vile man we have as president. How sad for our country.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

well, maybe Harvard did a slightly more thorough analysis than just asking you what you thought.

the only one of those people
i ever watch, is Carlson. He criticizes trump all the time. constantly. hannity is blind, no doubt. Tucker Carlson? Come on.

people on other networks constantly say he’s a racist, and constantly say he’s a threat to our democratic institutions.
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Your link is behind a paywall
How old is it?
Here is a recent one

The 24-hour cable news channels - CNN, the Fox News Channel, and MSNBC - are frequent targets of allegations of media bias. In this paper, we address several questions about cablenews. First, how much does consuming slanted news, like the Fox News Channel, change individuals’ partisan voting preferences in presidential elections, if at all? Second, how intense are consumer preferences for cable news that is slanted towards their own ideology? After measuring these forces, we ask: how much could slanted news contribute to increases in ideological polarization? And, what do these forces imply for the optimal editorial policy of channels that wish to maximize viewership, or alternatively to maximize electoral influence?

https://web.stanford.edu/~ayurukog/cable_news.pdf

Here is a quote from someone who worked at Fox.

A former executive at the Rupert Murdoch-controlled News Corporation said Sunday he left the company in part because of a change in Fox News' tone.

"I noticed a significant change in tone. I'm a big believer in the marketplace of ideas, right? And I was fine working with and for people who had different values and opinions than I did. But I noticed a significant shift in the ferociousness, and frankly, the relationship with facts, you know, particularly on the Fox side," Joseph Azam, former senior vice president and group chief compliance officer at News Corp., said on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

Azam said the change took place around the time of the 2016 election when President Trump was elected to the White House.

"It became very profitable to fall in line with an anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim rhetoric and I was affected by that," he explained.

And here's part of an article about Murdoch, Fox and Trump

In January, during the longest government shutdown in America’s history, President Donald Trump rode in a motorcade through Hidalgo County, Texas, eventually stopping on a grassy bluff overlooking the Rio Grande. The White House wanted to dramatize what Trump was portraying as a national emergency: the need to build a wall along the Mexican border. The presence of armored vehicles, bales of confiscated marijuana, and federal agents in flak jackets underscored the message.

But the photo op dramatized something else about the Administration. After members of the press pool got out of vans and headed over to where the President was about to speak, they noticed that Sean Hannity, the Fox News host, was already on location. Unlike them, he hadn’t been confined by the Secret Service, and was mingling with Administration officials, at one point hugging Kirstjen Nielsen, the Secretary of Homeland Security. The pool report noted that Hannity was seen “huddling” with the White House communications director, Bill Shine. After the photo op, Hannity had an exclusive on-air interview with Trump. Politico later reported that it was Hannity’s seventh interview with the President, and Fox’s forty-second. Since then, Trump has given Fox two more. He has granted only ten to the three other main television networks combined, and none to CNN, which he denounces as “fake news.”

Hannity was treated in Texas like a member of the Administration because he virtually is one. The same can be said of Fox’s chairman, Rupert Murdoch. Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”

Hemmer argues that Fox—which, as the most watched cable news network, generates about $2.7 billion a year for its parent company, 21st Century Fox—acts as a force multiplier for Trump, solidifying his hold over the Republican Party and intensifying his support. “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.” As the President has been beset by scandals, congressional hearings, and even talk of impeachment, Fox has been both his shield and his sword. The White House and Fox interact so seamlessly that it can be hard to determine, during a particular news cycle, which one is following the other’s lead. All day long, Trump retweets claims made on the network; his press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has largely stopped holding press conferences, but she has made some thirty appearances on such shows as “Fox & Friends” and “Hannity.” Trump, Hemmer says, has “almost become a programmer.”

Joe Peyronnin, a professor of journalism at N.Y.U., was an early president of Fox News, in the mid-nineties. “I’ve never seen anything like it before,” he says of Fox. “It’s as if the President had his own press organization. It’s not healthy.”

Blair Levin, at that time the chief of staff at the F.C.C. and now a fellow at the Brookings Institution, says, “Fox’s great insight wasn’t necessarily that there was a great desire for a conservative point of view.” More erudite conservatives, he says, such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and Bill Kristol, couldn’t have succeeded as Fox has. Levin observes, “The genius was seeing that there’s an attraction to fear-based, anger-based politics that has to do with class and race.”

In 1996, Murdoch hired Roger Ailes to create a conservative TV news outlet. Ailes, who died in 2017, was a master of attack politics and wedge issues, having been a media consultant on several of America’s dirtiest and most divisive campaigns, including those of Richard Nixon. Ailes invented programming, Levin argues, “that confirmed all your worst instincts—Fox News’ fundamental business model is driving fear.” The formula worked spectacularly well. By 2002, Fox had displaced CNN as the highest-rated cable news network, and it has remained on top ever since.

In 2011, at Ailes’s invitation, Trump began making weekly guest appearances on the morning show “Fox & Friends.” In a trial run of his campaign tactics, he used the channel as a platform to exploit racist suspicions about President Barack Obama, spreading doubt about whether he was born in America. (In one segment, Trump suggested that Obama’s “family doesn’t even know what hospital he was born in!”) As Hundt sees it, “Murdoch didn’t invent Trump, but he invented the audience. Murdoch was going to make a Trump exist. Then Trump comes along, sees all these people, and says, ‘I’ll be the ringmaster in your circus!’ ”

Trump’s arrival marked an important shift in tone at Fox. Until then, the network had largely mocked birtherism as a conspiracy theory. O’Reilly called its promoters “unhinged,” and Glenn Beck, who at the time also hosted a Fox show, called them “idiots.” But Trump gave birtherism national exposure, and, in a sign of things to come, Hannity fanned the flames. Hannity began saying that, although he thought that Obama had been born in the United States, the circumstances surrounding his birth certificate were “odd.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Your link is behind a paywall
How old is it?
Here is a recent one

The 24-hour cable news channels - CNN, the Fox News Channel, and MSNBC - are frequent targets of allegations of media bias. In this paper, we address several questions about cablenews. First, how much does consuming slanted news, like the Fox News Channel, change individuals’ partisan voting preferences in presidential elections, if at all? Second, how intense are consumer preferences for cable news that is slanted towards their own ideology? After measuring these forces, we ask: how much could slanted news contribute to increases in ideological polarization? And, what do these forces imply for the optimal editorial policy of channels that wish to maximize viewership, or alternatively to maximize electoral influence?

https://web.stanford.edu/~ayurukog/cable_news.pdf

Here is a quote from someone who worked at Fox.

A former executive at the Rupert Murdoch-controlled News Corporation said Sunday he left the company in part because of a change in Fox News' tone.

"I noticed a significant change in tone. I'm a big believer in the marketplace of ideas, right? And I was fine working with and for people who had different values and opinions than I did. But I noticed a significant shift in the ferociousness, and frankly, the relationship with facts, you know, particularly on the Fox side," Joseph Azam, former senior vice president and group chief compliance officer at News Corp., said on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

Azam said the change took place around the time of the 2016 election when President Trump was elected to the White House.

"It became very profitable to fall in line with an anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim rhetoric and I was affected by that," he explained.

And here's part of an article about Murdoch, Fox and Trump

In January, during the longest government shutdown in America’s history, President Donald Trump rode in a motorcade through Hidalgo County, Texas, eventually stopping on a grassy bluff overlooking the Rio Grande. The White House wanted to dramatize what Trump was portraying as a national emergency: the need to build a wall along the Mexican border. The presence of armored vehicles, bales of confiscated marijuana, and federal agents in flak jackets underscored the message.

But the photo op dramatized something else about the Administration. After members of the press pool got out of vans and headed over to where the President was about to speak, they noticed that Sean Hannity, the Fox News host, was already on location. Unlike them, he hadn’t been confined by the Secret Service, and was mingling with Administration officials, at one point hugging Kirstjen Nielsen, the Secretary of Homeland Security. The pool report noted that Hannity was seen “huddling” with the White House communications director, Bill Shine. After the photo op, Hannity had an exclusive on-air interview with Trump. Politico later reported that it was Hannity’s seventh interview with the President, and Fox’s forty-second. Since then, Trump has given Fox two more. He has granted only ten to the three other main television networks combined, and none to CNN, which he denounces as “fake news.”

Hannity was treated in Texas like a member of the Administration because he virtually is one. The same can be said of Fox’s chairman, Rupert Murdoch. Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”

Hemmer argues that Fox—which, as the most watched cable news network, generates about $2.7 billion a year for its parent company, 21st Century Fox—acts as a force multiplier for Trump, solidifying his hold over the Republican Party and intensifying his support. “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.” As the President has been beset by scandals, congressional hearings, and even talk of impeachment, Fox has been both his shield and his sword. The White House and Fox interact so seamlessly that it can be hard to determine, during a particular news cycle, which one is following the other’s lead. All day long, Trump retweets claims made on the network; his press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has largely stopped holding press conferences, but she has made some thirty appearances on such shows as “Fox & Friends” and “Hannity.” Trump, Hemmer says, has “almost become a programmer.”

Joe Peyronnin, a professor of journalism at N.Y.U., was an early president of Fox News, in the mid-nineties. “I’ve never seen anything like it before,” he says of Fox. “It’s as if the President had his own press organization. It’s not healthy.”

Blair Levin, at that time the chief of staff at the F.C.C. and now a fellow at the Brookings Institution, says, “Fox’s great insight wasn’t necessarily that there was a great desire for a conservative point of view.” More erudite conservatives, he says, such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and Bill Kristol, couldn’t have succeeded as Fox has. Levin observes, “The genius was seeing that there’s an attraction to fear-based, anger-based politics that has to do with class and race.”

In 1996, Murdoch hired Roger Ailes to create a conservative TV news outlet. Ailes, who died in 2017, was a master of attack politics and wedge issues, having been a media consultant on several of America’s dirtiest and most divisive campaigns, including those of Richard Nixon. Ailes invented programming, Levin argues, “that confirmed all your worst instincts—Fox News’ fundamental business model is driving fear.” The formula worked spectacularly well. By 2002, Fox had displaced CNN as the highest-rated cable news network, and it has remained on top ever since.

In 2011, at Ailes’s invitation, Trump began making weekly guest appearances on the morning show “Fox & Friends.” In a trial run of his campaign tactics, he used the channel as a platform to exploit racist suspicions about President Barack Obama, spreading doubt about whether he was born in America. (In one segment, Trump suggested that Obama’s “family doesn’t even know what hospital he was born in!”) As Hundt sees it, “Murdoch didn’t invent Trump, but he invented the audience. Murdoch was going to make a Trump exist. Then Trump comes along, sees all these people, and says, ‘I’ll be the ringmaster in your circus!’ ”

Trump’s arrival marked an important shift in tone at Fox. Until then, the network had largely mocked birtherism as a conspiracy theory. O’Reilly called its promoters “unhinged,” and Glenn Beck, who at the time also hosted a Fox show, called them “idiots.” But Trump gave birtherism national exposure, and, in a sign of things to come, Hannity fanned the flames. Hannity began saying that, although he thought that Obama had been born in the United States, the circumstances surrounding his birth certificate were “odd.”

a harvard study with summarized data, versus a couple of
anecdotal observations.

you sure showed me.
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