Woman dies after sailboat and motorboat collide off Newport - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JFigliuolo · 08-12-2019, 06:25 PM

I've almost been hit more than a few time by a hole sailboats while drifting. This IS sad, and I have no idea of the details but a lot of those f'ers always think they have the ROW... and the do not. When under power I ALWAYS give them a wide berth. I had one jackass bearing down on me while IN THE CABIN ON HIS PHONE until I laid on the horn

ONCE I had an issue with another powerboater.
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nightfighter · 08-12-2019, 06:57 PM

Well, while really not wanting to type this POV, here is where the racing sailor's head is at... He wants to go as fast forward as possible. Tacking is the worst thing he wants to do if he could rather stay on his straight line building or maintaining speed. I could drive a sixty footer under sail at speed within three feet of you on a drift or at anchor and be totally comfortable. You on the other hand would (understandably) be #^&#^&#^&#^&ting bricks and going crazy.
But that's not every sailor.... The two sides will never get along totally. But Freak, I would be glad to arrange getting you out sometime so you would better understand what a competent sailor can and cant do....

They will also seem to tack in front of you, with no warning and seemingly for no reason when what they are trying to do is avoid your wake, which again, will hurt their forward speed... Just some possibilities for what they might be thinking...

Guppy · 08-13-2019, 05:56 AM

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Well, while really not wanting to type this POV, here is where the racing sailor's head is at... He wants to go as fast forward as possible. Tacking is the worst thing he wants to do if he could rather stay on his straight line building or maintaining speed. I could drive a sixty footer under sail at speed within three feet of you on a drift or at anchor and be totally comfortable. You on the other hand would (understandably) be #^&#^&#^&#^&ting bricks and going crazy.
But that's not every sailor.... The two sides will never get along totally. But Freak, I would be glad to arrange getting you out sometime so you would better understand what a competent sailor can and cant do....

They will also seem to tack in front of you, with no warning and seemingly for no reason when what they are trying to do is avoid your wake, which again, will hurt their forward speed... Just some possibilities for what they might be thinking...

Freak on a bloo boat !,,,, what a sight that would be...

thefishingfreak · 08-13-2019, 02:30 PM

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Freak, I would be glad to arrange getting you out sometime so you would better understand what a competent sailor can and cant do....

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i'm in. as long as I don't have to dress up

nightfighter · 08-13-2019, 03:03 PM

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i'm in. as long as I don't have to dress up

Admiral Epaulettes for you!

piemma · 08-13-2019, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

I've almost been hit more than a few time by a hole sailboats while drifting. This IS sad, and I have no idea of the details but a lot of those f'ers always think they have the ROW... and the do not. When under power I ALWAYS give them a wide berth. I had one jackass bearing down on me while IN THE CABIN ON HIS PHONE until I laid on the horn

ONCE I had an issue with another powerboater.
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Same here Joe. Fishing the N end of J-town and this nitwit in a big sail about 35 or 40" aims right at me. He can see I am drifting and he is not on sail power but using his motor. Screaming at me that HE has the ROW.

PaulS · 08-13-2019, 10:03 AM

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Same here Joe. Fishing the N end of J-town and this nitwit in a big sail about 35 or 40" aims right at me. He can see I am drifting and he is not on sail power but using his motor. Screaming at me that HE has the ROW.

If he was sailing and not using his motor and you where drifting is there any case he would have the right of way? That wouldn't seem right.

nightfighter · 08-13-2019, 10:20 AM

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If he was sailing and not using his motor and you where drifting is there any case he would have the right of way? That wouldn't seem right.

No. Once he turns on his motor, he is the same class vessel. (only case I could see is if this confrontation took place in very narrow channel, but the right of way would not be dictated by vessel type.)

MakoMike · 08-13-2019, 11:41 AM

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No. Once he turns on his motor, he is the same class vessel. (only case I could see is if this confrontation took place in very narrow channel, but the right of way would not be dictated by vessel type.)

That is simply not true, Yes if he is under power then he is treated as a power boat, but that doesn't change any of the other rues of the road. So for example if you were drifting down on his port side he has the ROW and you have to alter your course to avoid him.

nightfighter · 08-13-2019, 02:58 PM

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That is simply not true, Yes if he is under power then he is treated as a power boat, but that doesn't change any of the other rues of the road. So for example if you were drifting down on his port side he has the ROW and you have to alter your course to avoid him.

Yeah, I kind of mixed up the two questions/posts and was assuming sailboat under power. My caveat was that under power, his simply having a mast to use under sail is not the reason to award right of way. And all other rules of the road apply. (and drifting is different from having lost power....)

MakoMike · 08-13-2019, 11:38 AM

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If he was sailing and not using his motor and you where drifting is there any case he would have the right of way? That wouldn't seem right.

Yes, if you were drifting on a course that would cause a collision he would have the ROW.

MakoMike · 08-13-2019, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

I've almost been hit more than a few time by a hole sailboats while drifting. This IS sad, and I have no idea of the details but a lot of those f'ers always think they have the ROW... and the do not. When under power I ALWAYS give them a wide berth. I had one jackass bearing down on me while IN THE CABIN ON HIS PHONE until I laid on the horn

ONCE I had an issue with another powerboater.
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You do realize that while drifting you are still "under way" and subject to all of the rules of the road?

JFigliuolo · 08-13-2019, 03:37 PM

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You do realize that while drifting you are still "under way" and subject to all of the rules of the road?

And you DO realize according to COLREGS a sailboat SHOULD ALWAYS keep out of the way of ANY boat:
Not under command,
Restricted in its ability to maneuver,
Engaged in fishing

A boat drifting while fishing satisfied TWO of those conditions
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Clammer · 08-13-2019, 03:45 PM

oh jOE , Silly Boaters

MakoMike · 08-14-2019, 10:32 AM

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And you DO realize according to COLREGS a sailboat SHOULD ALWAYS keep out of the way of ANY boat:
Not under command,
Restricted in its ability to maneuver,
Engaged in fishing

A boat drifting while fishing satisfied TWO of those conditions
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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.

JFigliuolo · 08-14-2019, 12:21 PM

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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.

It saddens me... you are correct. I'm cuious though how the use of a drift sock would be interpreted as it does indeed restrict the ability to move...

Clammer · 08-14-2019, 01:10 PM

that,s your story and you sticking to it

JFigliuolo · 08-14-2019, 01:16 PM

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that,s your story and you sticking to it

Lol! Got that ruler made yet?
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nightfighter · 08-15-2019, 05:30 AM

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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.

But the "engaged in fishing" is so often abused by the commercial fleet I almost applaud when they get more regs slapped on them....

Case in point: http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=73637

nightfighter · 08-15-2019, 08:48 AM

Back on topic;

Investigation continues, but multiple reports have the power boat striking the catamaran.....

Nebe · 08-15-2019, 11:10 AM

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Back on topic;

Investigation continues, but multiple reports have the power boat striking the catamaran.....

If you heard the captain of the boat that struck the sailboat report to the coast guard the initial distress call, you could tell he was #^&#^&#^&#^&ting his pants. Cracking voice. Stuttering. Reluctant, but doing the right thing.
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MakoMike · 08-15-2019, 10:16 AM

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But the "engaged in fishing" is so often abused by the commercial fleet I almost applaud when they get more regs slapped on them....

Case in point: http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=73637

The engaged in fishing exception to the normal ROW rules doesn't apply in the case of when one of the vessels is anchored. That incident was clearly the fault of the captain of the dragger.