is it impeachable to ask ukraine to investigate political adversaries?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Manafort was the subject of a criminal FBI investigation. You do know he's in Jail right now right?

i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

if it didn’t benefit him politically, why did he specifically ask them
to wait until after his final
election?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re speaking I assume of the letter filed in the Senate record to Ukraine.
Who’s hiding anything there?
What personal gains do the Senators achieve?
I attached the letter, perhaps you could point out where they asked for Trump to be investigated.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i do!

and when obama was caught on a live mic asking a russian official to hold off missile programs
until after his re election, at which time he’d “have more flexibility” to work with them...that wasn’t a president asking russia for a favor for political gain?
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Originally Posted by spence

I don't see how that benefited him politically. He's simply saying it will be easier to come to an agreement that's beneficial to our country.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if it didn’t benefit him politically, why did he specifically ask them
to wait until after his final
election?
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When you can't answer a question, once again you hypocritically pivot to a new ButObama claim, trying to conflate something, anything with what Trump, whom you don't really like but defend tirelessly, did.

As to your latest distraction, there is a vast difference between saying this is not the time to negotiate that and saying we have a good relationship, not reciprocal, but do me a favor, investigate my opponent and you'll get your missiles that you asked for.
One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

[scottw]

this whistleblower is a joke.......guess the dummycraps didn't learn from their Kavanaugh fiasco

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

When you can't answer a question, once again you hypocritically pivot to a new ButObama claim, trying to conflate something, anything with what Trump, whom you don't really like but defend tirelessly, did.

As to your latest distraction, there is a vast difference between saying this is not the time to negotiate that and saying we have a good relationship, not reciprocal, but do me a favor, investigate my opponent and you'll get your missiles that you asked for.
One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

what question can’t i answer?

how am i being a hypocrite? i’m pointing out your hypocrisy. if it was ok for obama to ask the russians forma favor to help him politically, why can’t trump do it?

by the way, if biden didn’t do
Anything wrong, there’s no reason to fear an investigation.

i agree trump will likely be impeached. there’s a real chance this helps him, not hurt him. if
you can’t comcede that possibility, you have no idea why he got elected.

it will reduce the chances biden ( best bet to unseat him) is the nominee, and might make Trump appear to be the victim of a witch hunt to all except people
who weren’t going to vote for him
anyway.

if one genuinely believes it’s an impeachable offense, one has an obligation to impeach. if it’s all
an attempt to keep him from getting re elected ( which al green explicitly admitted to on msnbc) that’s a political gamble. sometimes gambles pay off, sometimes they don’t.

i think trump will happily take house impeachment if it means biden isn’t the nominee.

and if the reason obama
said “now isn't the time” was based on his upcoming re election ( and there’s no other
conceivable conclusion if to listen to what he said), then both are cases of a potus asking a foreign power for a favor that reaped political benefits for the potus. yesterday, all the libs were saying that in and of itself, is an impeachable offense. again, if that’s true, fine, but let’s apply it consistently. if
you refuse to apply it consistently, then it’s not a true principle.


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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what question can’t i answer?

how am i being a hypocrite? i’m pointing out your hypocrisy.


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You’re speaking I assume of the letter filed in the Senate record to Ukraine.
Who’s hiding anything there?
What personal gains do the Senators achieve?
I attached the letter, perhaps you could point out where they asked for Trump to be investigated.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One is normal practice and the other, with the ask and the get, is why Trump will likely be impeached.

Pete, Jim has a fruit problem. It's been ongoing for years. Maybe he has scurvy

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Pete, Jim has a fruit problem. It's been ongoing for years. Maybe he has scurvy

from the guy who couldn’t bear to come on here for weeks after the election, too busy jerking off to an obama poster.

i can, and have, praised
and criticized both sides. you can’t, not once, not ever.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

from the guy who couldn’t bear to come on here for weeks after the election, too busy jerking off to an obama poster.

God Jim, that’s a new low. Have you been conferring with Raider Ronnie?
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