is it impeachable to ask ukraine to investigate political adversaries?

[Pete F.]

Can you tell me whether soliciting or accepting foreign election assistance is illegal?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you tell me whether soliciting or accepting foreign election assistance is illegal?
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you mean when Hillary did it and paid for it? or when Bill was shaking down the Communist Chinese?....or all the questionable money that flowed into Obamas campaign from overseas?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you tell me whether soliciting or accepting foreign election assistance is illegal?
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i honestly don’t know. but since i presume you’re saying it was illegal, why wasn’t it illegal when obama asked russia to postpone missile policy until after his re election, and he pushed them to do so by saying once his last election was behind him, he’d “have more flexibility “ to work with them. that’s a quid quo pro - do what i ask, and then i’ll help you in ways i wouldn’t be able to do, if i had to worry about getting elected again.

Make that wrong. You can’t.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i honestly don’t know. but since i presume you’re saying it was illegal, why wasn’t it illegal when obama asked russia to postpone missile policy until after his re election, and he pushed them to do so by saying once his last election was behind him, he’d “have more flexibility “ to work with them. that’s a quid quo pro - do what i ask, and then i’ll help you in ways i wouldn’t be able to do, if i had to worry about getting elected again.

Make that wrong. You can’t.
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Saying I don't want to negotiate that now is not the same as saying: We have a good relationship, not equal and you want more missiles (I know the survival of your country depends on them, and both of us know I'm holding them hostage) but do me a favor and investigate my political opponent.

That's the ask and the get. Then they hid it in a different server so others in the government could not see it. What else they buried, will be the next thing to come out.

I don't have to make what Trump did wrong, it is and it is a violation of his oath of office. He is exactly who I have said he is all along.

Putin's Puppet

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Saying I don't want to negotiate that now is not the same as saying: We have a good relationship, not equal and you want more missiles (I know the survival of your country depends on them, and both of us know I'm holding them hostage) but do me a favor and investigate my political opponent.

That's the ask and the get. Then they hid it in a different server so others in the government could not see it. What else they buried, will be the next thing to come out.

I don't have to make what Trump did wrong, it is and it is a violation of his oath of office. He is exactly who I have said he is all along.

Putin's Puppet

"Saying I don't want to negotiate that now"

Funny how you left out the part where Obama said he'd have "more flexibility" to work with them on missile policy, after his re election. He told them that if they waited, he could do more for them.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Saying I don't want to negotiate that now"

Funny how you left out the part where Obama said he'd have "more flexibility" to work with them on missile policy, after his re election. He told them that if they waited, he could do more for them.

And when someone asks me to negotiate a price for a project and I am in the middle of another one, I say I need to wait until I am done, then we can sit down and figure something out. I have not asked for anything or received anything and have made no commitment to anything. I am not foolish enough to not put the required amount of attention into it and yes, I too would say I can do a better job later when it suits my interests and I need or want to delay.

Donald Trump thinks L’etat, c’est moi and this is obvious in almost all his speech. He is not King, Prince or anything other than the chief administrative officer of a republic. He can and should pursue corruption as other presidents have, but not for his personal gain.

He did, and the rest of the story is not out yet.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He can and should pursue corruption as other presidents have, but not for his personal gain.

He did, and the rest of the story is not out yet.

You don't want to recognize the conundrum that "personal gain" is not avoidable when pursuing that which is good.

But you do seem to think that you can tell us the story before the rest of it is out.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You don't want to recognize the conundrum that "personal gain" is not avoidable when pursuing that which is good.

But you do seem to think that you can tell us the story before the rest of it is out.

If it was acceptable why would you go to unusual measures to hide it?

What else is hidden from the rest of the government to protect the would be King?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you tell me whether soliciting or accepting foreign election assistance is illegal?

He didn't solicit election assistance. He sought help in determining if there was illegal activity between Ukraine and various Americans. If that investigation ultimately provides collateral damage to election possibilities for Dems, too bad. ANY agreement with a foreign power that eventually makes it better for America would provide "assistance," if you must frame it that way, for Trump's re-election.

There's nothing in the released phone transcript that directly asks for election assistance. Spinning it as if it somehow amounted to election assistance is evidence of nothing more than duplicity on the part of the spinner.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He didn't solicit election assistance. He sought help in determining if there was illegal activity between Ukraine and various Americans. If that investigation ultimately provides collateral damage to election possibilities for Dems, too bad. ANY agreement with a foreign power that eventually makes it better for America would provide "assistance," if you must frame it that way, for Trump's re-election.

There's nothing in the released phone transcript that directly asks for election assistance. Spinning it as if it somehow amounted to election assistance is evidence of nothing more than duplicity on the part of the spinner.

Dream on
If this was a corruption case and the Citrus Caligula was the Mayor of a city, he would be indicted for corruption. He has the permit Zelensky needs and asked for, he is holding it for a favor that benefits him, that is the get. Many Dons have gone to prison for less.