Rumors or where there's smoke there's something

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This Ukraine stuff, carefully framed by his opposition to finally get him, and carefully framed by him and his supporters to appear perfectly fine, is too small an incident for me to care about.

Interesting how you pick and choose your "constitutional" battles to fight. I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo, the money and aid was dependent on the Ukraine leader starting an investigation into the Bidens and for Trumps PERSONAL political gain. The it's all about corruption smoke screen is just that an attempt to hide the real reason for holding back the aid.

Its an abuse of power, it's asking for foreign help in our elections, it's what he admitted on camera he is ok doing; it's clear as a bell. Too funny you think the Democrats framed this all to take Trump down, the corruption is usually either in plain sight, or so poorly devised and played out, he can't help but get caught.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo,

that must be why they're not calling it a quid pro quo anymore

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

that must be why they're not calling it a quid pro quo anymore

Floridaman isn't, but the witnesses are

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False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!

The transcript still has not been released but there is plenty of evidence of quid pro quo, besides the Memo of Telecon

1. Ukraine Diplomat Bill Taylor's text messages
2. Bill Taylor's testimony
3. Gordon Sondland tells Sen. Johnson
4. Gordon Sondland lawyer's comments
5. Fiona Hill's testimony
6. Lt Col. Vindman's testimony
7. Tim Morrison's testimony
8. Mick Mulvaney's public comments

Trump's defense is failing as fast as his casinos or his foundations since the great and all-knowing Stable Genius must pay $2M judgment for improperly using his Trump Foundation charity to further his 2016 presidential campaign, judge rules Thursday.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Floridaman isn't, but the witnesses are

try to keep up democraps are changing their tune....they are all very nervous...hope that whistleblower testifies

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

try to keep up democraps are changing their tune....they are all very nervous...hope that whistleblower testifies

Look, we keep on using this euphemistic expression 'quid pro quo.' The actual term for what occurred is extortion, and extortion is a crime.

Just keep looking for needles

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Look, we keep on using this euphemistic expression 'quid pro quo.' The actual term for what occurred is extortion, and extortion is a crime.

Just keep looking for needles

There you go now you are up to speed.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

it's asking for foreign help in our elections,

wrong

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Interesting how you pick and choose your "constitutional" battles to fight. I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo, the money and aid was dependent on the Ukraine leader starting an investigation into the Bidens and for Trumps PERSONAL political gain. The it's all about corruption smoke screen is just that an attempt to hide the real reason for holding back the aid.

Its an abuse of power, it's asking for foreign help in our elections, it's what he admitted on camera he is ok doing; it's clear as a bell. Too funny you think the Democrats framed this all to take Trump down, the corruption is usually either in plain sight, or so poorly devised and played out, he can't help but get caught.

How do you know that investigating possible corruption by the Bidens would be a personal gain for Trump? Are you sure that corruption, illegality, by the Bidens would be found?