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[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by piemma

Game fish status

I am not trying to fight or say that I am in any way for or against it, but I haven't been able to figure out how gamefish status alone is the saving grace when 90% of annual harvest is attributed to the recreational sector. I see this fix thrown around a lot, but unless I am missing something the math simply doesn't add up.

[bart]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

I am not trying to fight or say that I am in any way for or against it, but I haven't been able to figure out how gamefish status alone is the saving grace when 90% of annual harvest is attributed to the recreational sector. I see this fix thrown around a lot, but unless I am missing something the math simply doesn't add up.

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[Clammer]

toby , at the workshop it looked like a charterboat setup … we were told that we had to be in line with NY & cONN & was going to be one of 3 options ..& they were all 3o,s to 40 no options /chance of28 -35 .
then something happened going to the store ,,,,,,, everyone /other state went 28-35 " so we has the 3 options that were posted above ……………………...It basically was the rec & tackle shops going for 28 to 35 & a room full on charter boats saying the world will end if they don,t get the 30-40 ………………………………. which would put every fisherman from the rest of the world that wants a fish bigger then 35 crashing RI /leaving a pile of floaters & if DEM would enforce the another pile of violations ………
not much on ri commercial . we had worked it out at the workshop. it was a 3 way choice on less day s & less or status quo on fish ,,,,,,,,,,,, we settled for 4. day 5 fish with 3 days off ……..its either going to be F,S,S or T,F,S

the rest both commercial were kinda as expected . one rec fisherman asked why they can,t move up the sea bass dates .to earlier in June so they have a chance at them in the bay / which I 100% agree . but that not going to happen …………… pretty much everything else was as expected but rec & commercial ….if I missed anything / please chime in > you see the e-mail above ..voice your option ><> its pretty much common sense .but you have a [for hire ]group that they plead / yet they have exceptions for every species except stripers …………… they want their own rules ……… but also comm rules ….because a large majority of the have commercial licenses ><>< I could see this over [woman] but fish

no matter what changes that are made .the fish are in trouble ………………….. modification can keep up with realty ………………………………………. there are more & more people fishing , newer & better fishing gear & elctronics , F/F GPS ect &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& there never will be enough fish ………………….. are is there really global warming

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

I am not trying to fight or say that I am in any way for or against it, but I haven't been able to figure out how gamefish status alone is the saving grace when 90% of annual harvest is attributed to the recreational sector. I see this fix thrown around a lot, but unless I am missing something the math simply doesn't add up.

If game fish status prevents anything other than an illegal harvest, doesn't that in and of itself help protect the breeders and also narrow the focus of enforcement? All you need to do is look at the success FL has had and I can't see a negative to game fish status, other than the commercials who probably can't make a living off stripers at this point anyway.

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If game fish status prevents anything other than an illegal harvest, doesn't that in and of itself help protect the breeders and also narrow the focus of enforcement? All you need to do is look at the success FL has had and I can't see a negative to game fish status, other than the commercials who probably can't make a living off stripers at this point anyway.

Again, not totally opposed just still not seeing the math here. So you end commercial (which, by the way, I have never been a part of) then you add a full 10% more fish back into the sea. Sure that's great, but are we just 10% off of having an ocean filled with bass? No, not in the least. Keep in mind that poaching is not commercial and it is not recreational as it's not accounted for in any way, shape or form as the ASMFC sates they have no way to calculate it.

As for the Florida comparison, it's like comparing apples to pineapples; sure they're both fruit (or maybe vegetables, I'm not sure what a pineapple really is )and both have the word apple in them, but how they grow, reproduce, are harvested and so on is very different.

[wdmso]

Do what ever is needed to protect the bass but just catch limits wont work alone. bass food sources like pogies and herring and mackerel also need attention
And climate change

They all have small effects on stocks , but combined are a huge threat

And the current Administration actions of interfering in sentencing off a felon and removing regulations just for mythical short term economic gains is also a real danger . To fish stocks

[Sea Dangles]

The thought of making a certain weight into a trophy fish is also an irresponsible joke of an idea. You can also never mind with a tape measure for all of my concerns. How a large fish constitutes a trophy is beyond me at this stage.
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[Clammer]

H H try & get everyone to do it .even RISSA went with no 3 & Steve never bucks his meal ticker on the charter boats .

I sat back last night * listened to D/C cry povety .hr fished hard .but them starts with part timer, & etc

well a lot of charter captains either are or retired & became one
&& I don,t have any idea on how many have commercial licenses ><> Just go spend a late day evening on the docks & see who comes with fish .
one dealer posts the names of those that sell there ..WOW .

& can you just see if we co 30 -40 … every boat in New England & then some will be here .
I heard they were going to make a new ramp for the mass commercial for their own private use . so they can get in & out ………………….. 40 apprx 24/25# & throw back over & under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>catch you personal best & your throwing it back /RIGHT
I can see the belly up floaters now last night in the middle of the bass .a charter captain wanted their exp for tautog increase from 5 to six per man / DEM gut said too late /ask again next year…………………………….. exp 6 guys plus the captain & mate …… that,s 48 tautog were allowed 10 per boat . that,s it …...are we really suppose to believe that they then go out again a seperate trip to catch ten & then sell them ..
they work real hard , but please . sick of hearing all the poor me ……………….& then keep seeing the actual me .not all , but plenty

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The thought of making a certain weight into a trophy fish is also an irresponsible joke of an idea. You can also never mind with a tape measure for all of my concerns. How a large fish constitutes a trophy is beyond me at this stage.
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Not going to bite. At least I went to the meeting last night and will submit a response thru the mail. I released about 50 surf fish last year that would be above the option 3 slot, already doing my part.

[Clammer]

HH ya could have ssaid HELLO

D/Z & I were talking about freshwater

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by Clammer

HH ya could have ssaid HELLO

D/Z & I were talking about freshwater

All in all I like to keep a low profile, that is why I choose to submit in writing. If I could find the darn place to send it, lol. I will have to look at the dem site I am sure it is there.

[Clammer]

I,m waiting for a e-mail address /if it comes I,ll get it to you

[JFigliuolo]

Toby/Mike/HH,

What were the options discussed? I'd like to email comment, but I am guilty of not being in attendance (ever).

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

Toby/Mike/HH,

What were the options discussed? I'd like to email comment, but I am guilty of not being in attendance (ever).

RI currently has three options as follows:

• 1 fish, 28 - <35, OR
• 1 fish, 32 - <40 for all, OR
• Split mode 1 fish, 32 - <40 private/shore and 1 fish, 30 - <40 for-hire

Here is a write-up I did on where each states stands, recreaitonally, from ME to VA: http://www.thefisherman.com/index.cf...3&ParentCat=19.

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

RI currently has three options as follows:

• 1 fish, 28 - <35, OR
• 1 fish, 32 - <40 for all, OR
• Split mode 1 fish, 32 - <40 private/shore and 1 fish, 30 - <40 for-hire

Here is a write-up I did on where each states stands, recreaitonally, from ME to VA: http://www.thefisherman.com/index.cf...3&ParentCat=19.

Just for clarification 28" to 35" no split mode is option 3. It is listed first above. Option 2 was the split mode option I believe, and option 1 was 32 to 40 for all.

You can email your choice to

RI Department of Environmental Management
ATTN: Peter Duhamel
3 Fort Wetherill Road
Jamestown, RI 02835
peter.duhamel@dem.ri.gov

Again if you want to keep the fishery open 28" to 35" is our best shot.

[MAKAI]

Didn’t Florida make Tarpon a C&R only ?
Not that any of this matters much anymore, the oceans are kinda FKed anyway.
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[Poncho]

You can’t even take tarpon out of the waterz
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[SAUERKRAUT]

I am trying to recall any fishery-- freshwater trout, the Lake O fishery, Atlantic salmon, LMB, FL snook, giant grouper, etc.,-- that have been destroyed, degraded, or not enhanced by ELIMINATING commercial sale, trade, or commercial harvest of the species?

Take the money off the table. If this is done, fisheries management of the so-called "recreational sector" individuals will tolerate and indeed even self enforce just about any level of restriction right up to, and even including, no harvest, or moratorium if necessary. We did exactly this once before.

There should be no special carve outs for any individual angler. Effective fishery management must speak to the individual-- and not to groups-- commercial, charter boat, etc. The carve-out special interests do all the bickering.

Who said the recreationals are the reason for the striper downfall, and the commercial industry is faultless? Not by my definition.

[Headhunter]

High profile poaching must be dealt with in a more forceful and finite manner. Gear, boats, and vehicles should be confiscated. Not that it is rite but an extra fish here and there is one thing and the fine should be stiff enough to make someone think twice, outrite pouching is a whole different story.

[ivanputski]

on the topic of poaching and enforcement,

I realize that they are short staffed with officers, but I have seen them in very common poaching areas, while its happening, and doing nothing. If an officer working in RI doesn't know WHERE poaching often occurs, and how to spot the signs of it, then what good are they?
I have said this before... If I had a badge and a ticket book, you give me one day per week and I will write up so many LEGIT violations you could balance the state budget by the end of the summer. I have given up calling in violations, because the response time is counted in hours (if at all). They should hire a single designated "poaching/regulation violation" officer...I mean a real pit bull that hands out real violations, and word will spread fast. Lets be honest, we all know what parts of the highway you definitely cant speed on...tell me why that is?

[JFigliuolo]

Sent an email this morning (1 fish 28"-35"). If a lazy SOB like me can do it, well... anyone can.

[Clammer]

do what JOe F did .send a e/mail t=it will really help ..they do read them // if the 30 -40 gets & RI is the only state that has it …………………… everyone , rec, charters, commercial from al;l the states will turn RI into a larger cluster F uck than before ………&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& there will be more floaters then in a rubber duck race ,.<>

[Headhunter]

They do read them and respond. Heard from them today

[Clammer]

there you go …….now what is everyones excuse ???????

you saw how many charter captains were there <><

[Guppy]

I’d say most comments came from charter guys here tonight..

https://www.mass.gov/doc/010820-scop...ional/download

Someone has to come up with a reliable system to collect data both com and rec,,, especially rec. me thinks....

[Headhunter]

What is a real joke is they tried to base some things on the data of outings for surf and boat. It is almost impossible to get skunked by boat. In the surf it is common to get skunked and even more common when you do get into fish to not get a legal fish. If you can not get a legal fish by boat you are just not trying hard enough in my very humble opinion.

Things should be based on a catch report, not an outing report.