breonna taylor tragedy

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How do you diagnose someone as being triggered by reading what they write? Answer - any time I win, you dismiss me as being angry. Easier than admitting I might ever have a point. God forbid.

How do you win? You start out threads with insults. That isn't winning. When someone gets tired of the back and forth, it isn't bc you won it is just they don't want to have 5 pages of the same thing over and over.

Calling people pussy or the other things you constantly insult people with isn't winning.

I came back to answer one of your earlier posts about charging the cops but you can't help but throw an insult so why bother.

You can say to yourself you won.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How do you win? You start out threads with insults. That isn't winning. When someone gets tired of the back and forth, it isn't bc you won it is just they don't want to have 5 pages of the same thing over and over.

Calling people pussy or the other things you constantly insult people with isn't winning.

I came back to answer one of your earlier posts about charging the cops but you can't help but throw an insult so why bother.

You can say to yourself you won.

I win by being right. When I point out that you left out that they were fired upon first and one of the cops was hit...and I ask how anyone can think that missing your aim is necessarily a crime, and no one can respond except to lob insults, that means you win.

Again, how come you don't care about Pete's insults?

Answer: A der der.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As always, you responded to something I didn't ask. I asked if you think it's a crime, for a police officer to return fire and kill a bystander accidentally? Because your side is upset that he wasn't charged in her death. To charge a cop in her death, necessarily means you think it's a crime to return fire and accidentally miss. What would have to happen, for you to respond to what I said? To respond to what I actually said?

He's not going to get any real time, then we'll riot all over again.

I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

so you don' think they had a legal right to return fire? Or are you saying the crime was missing their target? Regarding Taylors death, I see the tragedy. I don't see a crime. What was the crime?

ARe you saying, or are you not saying, that missing your target and hitting someone else, should put you in jail? It's against the law to miss? What law is that?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

nobody is is supporting cops that make bad choices, in nearly every one of these instance it's people, not the cops, that make/made the bad choices that led to their outcomes and that 's who would/should be held accountable, you keep ignoring that part and just reflexively blame the cops

Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wdmso, yes the boyfriend fired first ( which may have been justified if he didn’t hear them announce themselves), and he’s not the one who died. the innocent woman did.

wayne, if the cops are being shot at and they return fire, do you think they should go to jail if they accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander by accident?

this is policework. sometimes it’s dangerous and chaotic. it’s not an exact science, and even olympic marksman, shooting in easy circumstances, miss sometimes.

it’s a tragedy. it’s not necessarily a crime, and obviously not murder.

please answer my question - should cops go to prison if they return fire but miss? do you really believe that?
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Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . Its is a crime their no disputing that killing someone with your car is a crime it can be determined to be an accident

But 20 rounds randomly fired into an apartment is no accident or police Training

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . Its is a crime their no disputing that killing someone with your car is a crime it can be determined to be an accident

But 20 rounds randomly fired into an apartment is no accident or police Training

and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops

it’s not her fault. but just because someone dies in an accident, doesn’t mean someone else committed murder. do you know what an “accident” is?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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I’ll answer when you answer. which you apparently won’t, because you can’t without looking bonkers.

do you, spence, think it’s a criminal offense to return fire when shot at, and accidentally miss your target?

answer that question as i asked it, and i’ll happily answer yours.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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Jim the crime is killing an innocent women

How it it a crime

By firing indiscriminately beacause someone fired a shot.

So your logic if police are fired apon from a crowd of protester they are justified in firing indiscriminately into the Crowd.. with out positively IDing the shooter... see now why police need to be better retrained before discharging their weapons .. because if your off 2 inchs at 20ft wheres that round going at 300ft.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim the crime is killing an innocent women

How it it a crime

By firing indiscriminately beacause someone fired a shot.

So your logic if police are fired apon from a crowd of protester they are justified in firing indiscriminately into the Crowd.. with out positively IDing the shooter... see now why police need to be better retrained before discharging their weapons .. because if you off 2 inchs at 20ft wheres that round going at 300ft.
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it’s a crime, punishable by prison, to kill an innocent person accidentally while returning fire?

fortunately, that’s not a crime.

the need for better training is a good idea. charging them with murder? bonkers.

anyway, as always, we see what happens when liberals don’t get their way.

oh hey! since you said there isn’t enough time
to look into a S.C. nominee, look at the timeline for Ginsburgs confirmation.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops

the police were knocking on her door that night because she'd spent years dating a violent drug dealing criminal....she made bad choices that ultimately led to this tragedy....if she had not dated a violent drug dealing criminal the police would have never been sent to her apartment...is that hard to understand?

George Floyd took a lethal dose of fentanyl that day and got in a car and headed into town and ended up fighting with police....

each of these cases are sad and unfortunate, particularly in Breonna's case.... but in each of these cases the "victims" did a lot of stuff, had a long history of behavior to get them where they ended up and I haven't seen any indication that police racism was somehow a factor...which is what all the screaming, rioting and destruction is about

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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the cop that was charged was in the parking lot....the cops that were not charged were inside the building, one was shot both returned fire, they had cause to discharge their weapons....didn't you just tell Jim to do some research or fact check himself before posting?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

Walker is not being charged despite shooting a police officer...again...did you do any research?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . g

Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If they did that at my house and I didn’t hear them, they’d be dead
And claiming it’s my responsibility
Welcome to the police state
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The guy wasn't charged with shooting at the officers in this case though...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

he won’t answer the question as you asked.

part two of that question is this: if you do shoot and accidentally hit the wrong one, should
you go to prison?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

The guy wasn't charged with shooting at the officers in this case though...

yeah but that fact doesn’t serve his narrative, so he changed it.
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[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by scottw

the police were knocking on her door that night because she'd spent years dating a violent drug dealing criminal....she made bad choices that ultimately led to this tragedy....if she had not dated a violent drug dealing criminal the police would have never been sent to her apartment...is that hard to understand?

George Floyd took a lethal dose of fentanyl that day and got in a car and headed into town and ended up fighting with police....

each of these cases are sad and unfortunate, particularly in Breonna's case.... but in each of these cases the "victims" did a lot of stuff, had a long history of behavior to get them where they ended up and I haven't seen any indication that police racism was somehow a factor...which is what all the screaming, rioting and destruction is about

Not only was she dating him, she was neck deep in the business. She was not an EMT anymore either, they fired her after a car she rented was found abandoned with a dead body inside. The dead body was an acquaintance of hers. She was on surveillance video entering and exiting a drug distribution house multiple times while her boyfriend was in jail. She was caught on jailhouse recordings discussing his drug business, and how she was handling it while he was in jail.

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

N

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...

everything. it tells you everything.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "

cops need to be trained to use only 1 rubber bullet and to shoot the weapon out of the hand of the person firing at them

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Not only was she dating him, she was neck deep in the business.

There's no evidence of this, stop getting your information from Reddit.

She was not an EMT anymore either,

Correct, she was an ER Technician who aspired to be a nurse. Clearly she had a dark heart

they fired her after a car she rented was found abandoned with a dead body inside. The dead body was an acquaintance of hers.

Actually she rented a car, loaned it to her boyfriend at the time who loaned it to someone else. The police investigated and determined she had no knowledge of the crime.

She was on surveillance video entering and exiting a drug distribution house multiple times while her boyfriend was in jail. She was caught on jailhouse recordings discussing his drug business, and how she was handling it while he was in jail.

Actually the leaked unverified draft memo of the jailhouse recording has been characterized by the police as taken out of context.

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...

When plainclothes police fire randomly and excessively at an unknown target while executing an illegal search warrant what does that tell you about the professionalism of the local PD?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

Its amazing blame the victims. Police are supposedly trained so now they were down the hallway . So from their bed room they heard the word police over their door being kicked in

Enter the hall way to see wtf going on with a gun he owend legally fired on them then they blasted of 20 rds

But to you its their fault
1 for self defensive
2 blame Taylor because of her x boyfriend

But no issues with the police..

Police have the obligation to do it right
But it seem you and many others think its ok that if they created the situation and it ends badly . They have zero responsibility in the outcome

And thats the point you and others miss with out a day in court there is no accountability or justice. These aren't random events

police officer fired 13 shots, killing John Albers, 17, on 20 January 2018 in a Kansas City suburb.

Police had been called to check on the boy, who had ADHD, after his online posts prompted fears for his safety.

A month after the shooting the county prosecutor announced the officer, Clayton Jenison, would not be charged.

Its all acceptable until it happens to you or someone close untill then its all BS. Just Like covid

And wanting police to be held accountable is not being anti police .

Ps this bs police have family's to go home to excuse .. to justify killing unarmed people is pathetic .. most people have family's to go home to. And we dont use that justification for the Kid texting on his way home who killed someone in a car accident, or the guy working extra shifts who fell asleep at the wheel and crossed into the other lane... those people get charged and have their day in court and are held accountable accident or not

But police can fire indiscriminately into 2 or crowds of people

Because their actions

"justified to protect themselves and the justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges".

So all an officer needs to say is he thought i was our we were and fill in the rest of the blanks .. and hes all set..

Ps ive been shot at and guess what i didn’t order my men to unload on home or people in the area because . And i did many no knock raids on homes with men women and kids at night and never myself or my men shot anyone because we thought they had a gun and this was in Iraq but it seems to be acceptable here at home and supported by other Americans. I can figure rhat one out
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Its amazing blame the victims. Police are supposedly trained so now they were down the hallway . So from their bed room they heard the word police over their door being kicked in

Enter the hall way to see wtf going on with a gun he owend legally fired on them then they blasted of 20 rds

But to you its their fault
1 for self defensive
2 blame Taylor because of her x boyfriend

But no issues with the police..

Police have the obligation to do it right
But it seem you and many others think its ok that if they created the situation and it ends badly . They have zero responsibility in the outcome

And thats the point you and others miss with out a day in court there is no accountability or justice. These aren't random
police officer fired 13 shots, killing John Albers, 17, on 20 January 2018 in a Kansas City suburb.

Police had been called to check on the boy, who had ADHD, after his online posts prompted fears for his safety.

A month after the shooting the county prosecutor announced the officer, Clayton Jenison, would not be charged.

Its all acceptable until it happens to you or someone close untill then its all BS. Just Like covid

And wanting police to be held accountable is not being anti police .

Ps this bs police have family's to go home to excuse .. to justify killing unarmed people is pathetic .. most people have family's to go home to. And we dont use that justification for the Kid texting on his way home who killed someone in a car accident, or the guy working extra shifts who fell asleep at the wheel and crossed into the other lane... those people get charged and have their day in court and are held accountable accident or not

But police can fire indiscriminately into 2 or crowds of people

Because their actions

"justified to protect themselves and the justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges".

So all an officer needs to say is he thought i was our we were and fill in the rest of the blanks .. and hes all set..
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you keep making stuff up....I didn't say it was their fault...the whole this is unfortunate...but...the police would never have been at her apartment door that night if she'd not been dating a violent drug dealing criminal

I have an issue with the cop in the parking lot ...he was charged

not true regarding police accountability...Im glad the cop that knelt on the neck of Floyd was charged but Floyd is as much to blame for his own death as the cop


who said "anti-police"?

the rest of what you wrote is rambling

[scottw]

it's funny what spence does and does not know based on what is convenient for his narrative

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

There's no evidence of this, stop getting your information from Reddit.


Correct, she was an ER Technician who aspired to be a nurse. Clearly she had a dark heart


Actually she rented a car, loaned it to her boyfriend at the time who loaned it to someone else. The police investigated and determined she had no knowledge of the crime.


Actually the leaked unverified draft memo of the jailhouse recording has been characterized by the police as taken out of context.


When plainclothes police fire randomly and excessively at an unknown target while executing an illegal search warrant what does that tell you about the professionalism of the local PD?

"There's no evidence of this,"

The hell there isn't! Her name was on the warrant, there were tape recorded conversation (used to justify the warrant) that she was involved.

Just keep making it up as you go along, Spence.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

the cop that was charged was in the parking lot....the cops that were not charged were inside the building, one was shot both returned fire, they had cause to discharge their weapons....didn't you just tell Jim to do some research or fact check himself before posting?

To them, "research" consists of concocting a tale that best supports The Narrative. They're possessed by The Narrative, enslaved by it.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn't say it was their fault...


if she'd not been dating a violent drug dealing criminal

Hell i cant spell to save my life. But that reads like your blamining Her ..
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Hell i cant spell to save my life. But that reads like your blamining Her ..
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Wayne, if you run out into a busy intersection and someone runs you over...are you at all to blame?

I'm not blaming her for the entire incident...I'm saying that her actions over time caused the police to be at her door that night...what transpired is a tragedy....the police were there on orders...they didn't go out looking for someone to murder that night....her boyfriend decided to pull the trigger...the police returned fire...it's awful but that is what happens when the shooting starts...I can't blame those two cops who were there there on orders, as far as we know followed they procedure and reacted to being shot at and in fact shot....I don't blame the boyfriend for pulling the trigger, he may have believed it was the ex-boyfriend who sounds like someone to be feared...Breonna was unfortunately standing next to him when fire was returned...I don't see how the cops at the door could or should have reacted any differently, the one in the parking lot is another matter and he was charged