Is Trump the leader of the GOP or it’s downfall

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Yup. Definitely time to open those re-education camps
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I know right
But it’s Trump who’s running them !

Mr denial
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Most Americans say they’ll trust the 2024 election, regardless of who wins. But not Republicans
All adults 62%
Dems 82%
Independents 68%
Republicans 33%. Trump and his supporters in Congress have poisoned the minds of their followers so I guess that’s doing something wouldn’t you say Jim
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i was skeptical before trump. in two consecutive governors races in CT, there were big cities ( Hartford and Bridgeport) where shockingly, they ran out of ballots on election day, and those polling places ( where 98% of the vote is democratic) stayed open way later then 8 pm. funny, they always had enough ballots in the few places that lean right. only the deep blue polling places had to stay open for a few extra hours.

mail-in balloting is ripe with potential for fraud. how many people can truly analyze signatures? i’m not saying there IS large scale fraud. but there could be, and we wouldnt know.

and when there’s a very clear pattern of democrats being meaningfully behind at midnight, and then coming from behind after everyone goes to bed for the night, well, when that keeps happening, it’s hard not to ask some questions. obviously it could be totally legit.

i sleep fine at night, but I’m skeptical.

And stacey abrams still
claims her election was stolen, and she gets more and more powerful on the democratic side. but it’s ok when she does it.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i was skeptical before trump. in two consecutive governors races in CT, there were big cities ( Hartford and Bridgeport) where shockingly, they ran out of ballots on election day, and those polling places ( where 98% of the vote is democratic) stayed open way later then 8 pm. funny, they always had enough ballots in the few places that lean right. only the deep blue polling places had to stay open for a few extra hours.

mail-in balloting is ripe with potential for fraud. how many people can truly analyze signatures? i’m not saying there IS large scale fraud. but there could be, and we wouldnt know.

and when there’s a very clear pattern of democrats being meaningfully behind at midnight, and then coming from behind after everyone goes to bed for the night, well, when that keeps happening, it’s hard not to ask some questions. obviously it could be totally legit.

i sleep fine at night, but I’m skeptical.

And stacey abrams still
claims her election was stolen, and she gets more and more powerful on the democratic side. but it’s ok when she does it.
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Back on the Kool aid ?

So that’s why Biden won by 4 million more vote

Because A state kept one poling location open so people could exercise their constitutional right to vote to include Republicans and your shocked how someone can run out of ballots. Another example of supply and demand , . in your state voter turn out was up 6.5 point from

Voter turnout increased in every U.S. state during the 2020 general election
And still Trump lost .. yet everyone was told mail in ballots get counted last..

And since when does potential fraud
Have more weight then actually fraud. That 33% of Republicans are not skeptical their brainwashed by Trumps lie the same lie he and his supporters are still spreading and it November

Jim Abrams never said the election was stolen thats a the rights spin


"I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election," Abrams said, according to NPR. "But to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state baldly pin his hopes for election on suppression of the people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling."

No claims of mass fraud just pre election behavior of kemp sec of state purging voter rolls prior to his election as Gov . Legal yes ethical maybe bad optics definitely

Abrams didn't try to challenge the results.

"Nobody ever sought to overturn the results of the election," in 2018

But as usual you think Trumps refusing to concede and still claiming the election was rigged and stolen . And Abrams claims are somehow exactly the same or even similar .. is a poor example
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Back on the Kool aid ?

So that’s why Biden won by 4 million more vote

Because A state kept one poling location open so people could exercise their constitutional right to vote to include Republicans and your shocked how someone can run out of ballots. Another example of supply and demand , . in your state voter turn out was up 6.5 point from

Voter turnout increased in every U.S. state during the 2020 general election
And still Trump lost .. yet everyone was told mail in ballots get counted last..

And since when does potential fraud
Have more weight then actually fraud. That 33% of Republicans are not skeptical their brainwashed by Trumps lie the same lie he and his supporters are still spreading and it November

Jim Abrams never said the election was stolen thats a the rights spin


"I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election," Abrams said, according to NPR. "But to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state baldly pin his hopes for election on suppression of the people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling."

No claims of mass fraud just pre election behavior of kemp sec of state purging voter rolls prior to his election as Gov . Legal yes ethical maybe bad optics definitely

Abrams didn't try to challenge the results.

"Nobody ever sought to overturn the results of the election," in 2018

But as usual you think Trumps refusing to concede and still claiming the election was rigged and stolen . And Abrams claims are somehow exactly the same or even similar .. is a poor example
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wayne, two elections in a row, the state of CT kept open liberal precincts, because they ran out of ballots? election day doesn’t sneak up on you. you know a year ahead of time you need ballots. but nothing to see.

So stacey abrams is what, then? she still says she won, and she’s all over the liberal airwaves, a major influential democrat. There was talk of her being Bidens VP pick. Is it OK that she's telling lies about her election?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne, two elections in a row, the state of CT kept open liberal precincts, because they ran out of ballots? election day doesn’t sneak up on you. you know a year ahead of time you need ballots. but nothing to see.

So stacey abrams is what, then? she still says she won, and she’s all over the liberal airwaves, a major influential democrat. There was talk of her being Bidens VP pick. Is it OK that she's telling lies about her election?
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So a Democratic liberal precinct by staying open was the reason Trump lost conn? Of this is your evidence of fraud?

And you cant show me where Abrams submitted a challenge to overturn the outcome of the 2018 election . Because it didn’t happen

And off you go again a lie is a lie
Everything is the same ..

Unless I decide otherwise
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[wdmso]

Anyone who did that is an idiot


Republican President Donald Trump had made earlier in the month about coronavirus deaths: That so-called "blue states" were driving the country’s high death rates.

Trump, trying to burnish his performance in combating the virus, had said if those states were removed from the equation, the United States would really be "at a very low level" of deaths.

Jim when I say conservative or republican I am not claiming You directly I am speaking about the majority republicans

just like this Republicans want more eyes on election workers.

The push for more poll watchers is a clear outgrowth of the lies and disinformation spread by former President Donald Trump and his allies that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

brainwashed not skeptical

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Anyone who did that is an idiot


Republican President Donald Trump had made earlier in the month about coronavirus deaths: That so-called "blue states" were driving the country’s high death rates.

Trump, trying to burnish his performance in combating the virus, had said if those states were removed from the equation, the United States would really be "at a very low level" of deaths.

Jim when I say conservative or republican I am not claiming You directly I am speaking about the majority republicans

just like this Republicans want more eyes on election workers.

The push for more poll watchers is a clear outgrowth of the lies and disinformation spread by former President Donald Trump and his allies that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

brainwashed not skeptical

well you told me i’d be a good applicant for goal post mover, so silly me, i assumed you meant me.

is poll security a bad thing? i don’t see why.
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[Jim in CT]

also, as of 2018, florida had the nations second-highest percentage of seniors among its state population. NY was 27th.

When comparing death rates for a disease that targets the elderly, you’d have to take that into account to do an apples to apples comparison. but even with a much higher elderly population ( and this data is from 2018, maybe there are no seniors left in NY thanks to the emmy-winning Cuomo) FL still has a slightly lower death rate. https://www.prb.org/resources/which-...re-the-oldest/

https://www.prb.org/resources/which-...re-the-oldest/
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[Pete F.]

Floriduh population 21.6 M
NYS population 20.4 M
Floriduh’s daily death rate is close to 4X NYS’
Floriduh is trying to fine private businesses for asking if people are vaccinated or requiring the wearing masks in a business.
Sound like non-authoritarian small government with no overreach to you?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Floriduh population 21.6 M
NYS population 20.4 M
Floriduh’s daily death rate is close to 4X NYS’
Floriduh is trying to fine private businesses for asking if people are vaccinated or requiring the wearing masks in a business.
Sound like non-authoritarian small government with no overreach to you?
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over what time period, is florida’s daily death rate 4x that of NY? a week or two? a month?

since this started, FLs numbers are better then NYs.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

over what time period, is florida’s daily death rate 4x that of NY? a week or two? a month?

since this started, FLs numbers are better then NYs.
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In the most recent.

Here’s the rates

Floriduh daily average deaths last seven days 124
NYS 34
All time deaths per 100K
Floriduh 278
NYS 288

DeathSantis unfortunately looks like he’s on track to be the leader
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