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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

as always, you got it 100% wrong. i dont think outcome matters at all, I think intent is what matters.

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And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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I wonder what the intent of the the Eastman memo was.

John C. Eastman tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6, 2021 (when Congress counted the Electoral College votes) by throwing out electors from seven states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Washington, D.C.) because they allegedly had competing electors although, in fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors. Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I wonder what the intent of the the Eastman memo was.

John C. Eastman tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6, 2021 (when Congress counted the Electoral College votes) by throwing out electors from seven states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Washington, D.C.) because they allegedly had competing electors although, in fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors. Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222.

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.But the eastman memo showed the Trump legal team was trying to overthrow the election and the vast majority of R congressman seemed to support it. over 60% of R refuse to believe Biden was fairly elected. Trying to overturn (or prevent the Pres. confirmation) a Presidential election is much more important to me than a disagreement about policy or taxes. It is the heart of our country. He wasn't just some guy writing a memo. It was shared amongst the highests R in the country - from Trump on down.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.I don't, I cringe when I see/hear some things.
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NM

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NM

"But the eastman memo showed the Trump legal team was trying to overthrow the election"

I never, ever said Trump wasn't trying to overturn the election, obviously he was. Thankfully, he failed.

What I said, and I'll say it again because it's true, is that it would be nice if you guys could hold the left to the same standard.

"over 60% of R refuse to believe Biden was fairly elected"

And that's embarrassing and stupid.

But it's equally stupid that dems think Trump won because of Russian collusion, that Hilary lost because of sexism, that Republicans are racist and only care about the wealthy, that the morons in the capital ever had a plan to overturn the election, that pro life people hate women, etc. I can go all day with demonstrably false BS that's generally (not universally) accepted on the left

People are mostly sheep who believe what they are told.

"I cringe when I see/hear some things."

That's true, you do, and Rockhound to some extent. Not the others. Never.

I'd love to get away from attacks (which obviously I contribute to, and shouldn't) and fear mongering, and talk about the pros and cons of actual policy, that's what's interesting to me, that's how you learn.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.
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How about the rest of the Trumplicans in the House and Senate who aided and abetted the Trump administration in their efforts to throw out the results of the election after they had exhausted all legal remedies because they didn't like the results.
You can listen to Peter Navarro explain just how the coup was supposed to work.

The Constitution only works if you respect it, otherwise it's just another piece of paper.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How about the rest of the Trumplicans in the House and Senate who aided and abetted the Trump administration in their efforts to throw out the results of the election after they had exhausted all legal remedies because they didn't like the results.
You can listen to Peter Navarro explain just how the coup was supposed to work.

The Constitution only works if you respect it, otherwise it's just another piece of paper.

I think the congressional republicans are exactly as guilty, as the democrats in 2016 who urged electors to not vote for the candidate who won, and exactly as guilty as the congressional democrats in 2016 who voted to challenge the election results in more states than the GOP challenged in 2020.

In all those cases, the losing party acted like spoiled brats and were willing to undermine the constitution rather than graciously accept defeat.

I don't care if we ignore it, talk about it,. arrest them, or execute them. But let's apply the same standard to everyone who refuses to accept election results. You all only care when Republicans do it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I think the congressional republicans are exactly as guilty, as the democrats in 2016 who urged electors to not vote for the candidate who won, and exactly as guilty as the congressional democrats in 2016 who voted to challenge the election results in more states than the GOP challenged in 2020.

In all those cases, the losing party acted like spoiled brats and were willing to undermine the constitution rather than graciously accept defeat.

I don't care if we ignore it, talk about it,. arrest them, or execute them. But let's apply the same standard to everyone who refuses to accept election results. You all only care when Republicans do it.

None of them had a plan to get the Vice President to ignore his constitutional duties, nor did they abdicate their own duties.
If you look at the 2016 election, Never Trumpers were a significant force in pressuring electors to not vote for Trump.
Many of the reasons for doing so have since proven to be valid.

There is no valid whatabout.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

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was any of this by this eastman fellow illegal?....surely if it was that Legal Tiger that now runs the justice department and thankfully is not on the supreme court, will be pursuing them with abandon....

otherwise, sounds like political maneuvering...

not like the democraps don't try every trick in the book at every opportunity...I could name a couple currently going on...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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SO ITS OK

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

SO ITS OK

i said just up the page, that’s it’s not ok. but it’s similar to what the dems did.

so whatever you think about the gop trying to overturn an election because they’re sore losers, you should think the same about democrats who try to overturn an election because they’re sore losers.

i don’t know how to say it any simpler, but you have no grasp of what anyone is saying here. i sincerely hope
you’re just messing with me.

look at my post from 12:57 pm
today, where i said all of them acted like spoiled brats who were willing to undermine the constitution.

you claim, that means i’m ok with it. you can’t comprehend that “spoiled brats who want to undermine the constitution” is a criticism.


you have no ability to comprehend words. are you drunk?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i said just up the page, that’s it’s not ok. but it’s similar to what the dems did.

so whatever you think about the gop trying to overturn an election because they’re sore losers, you should think the same about democrats who try to overturn an election because they’re sore losers.

i don’t know how to say it any simpler, but you have no grasp of what anyone is saying here. i sincerely hope
you’re just messing with me.

look at my post from 12:57 pm
today, where i said all of them acted like spoiled brats who were willing to undermine the constitution.

you claim, that means i’m ok with it. you can’t comprehend that “spoiled brats who want to undermine the constitution” is a criticism.


you have no ability to comprehend words. are you drunk?
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I am not one who’s said they would vote for trump again

That says alot

[wdmso]

Ted Cruz's foot, meet Ted Cruz's mouth.

After a Thursday appearance on Fox's Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Cruz, a Republican senator from Texas, apologized for his "frankly dumb" mistake of calling the Jan. 6 riot a "violent terrorist attack,"

Cruz's use of "terrorist attack" was not some sort of one-time accident. In fact, he had described the Capitol riot as a terrorist attack or broadly described rioters as terrorists over and over for months -- at least 17 previous times in official written statements, in tweets, in remarks at Senate hearings and in interviews.



Just another non principled Republican. Shocking

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ted Cruz's foot, meet Ted Cruz's mouth.

After a Thursday appearance on Fox's Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Cruz, a Republican senator from Texas, apologized for his "frankly dumb" mistake of calling the Jan. 6 riot a "violent terrorist attack,"

Cruz's use of "terrorist attack" was not some sort of one-time accident. In fact, he had described the Capitol riot as a terrorist attack or broadly described rioters as terrorists over and over for months -- at least 17 previous times in official written statements, in tweets, in remarks at Senate hearings and in interviews.



Just another non principled Republican. Shocking

The humiliation is all the greater because Cruz was right in the first place: the people who attacked the Capitol really were terrorists.

But for telling the truth Comrade Cruz has to abase himself before Commissar Tucker.

Ted Cruz's latest political embarrassment is an illustration of the party at large. He did it in a very suck-upy kind of way with Tucker Carlson... The illustration that he provides is of 100s of Republican lawmakers.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

the guy who said very recently that republicans are all idiots who are screwing the country, is suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the guy who said very recently that republicans are all idiots who are screwing the country, is suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?
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Wasn't my statement in response to John calling the people on 1/6 idiots. But think whatever you want as you're just angry bc I showed you what a hypocrite you are.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Wasn't my statement in response to John calling the people on 1/6 idiots. But think whatever you want as you're just angry bc I showed you what a hypocrite you are.

you said republicans were a bunch of idiots and that because of them, the country was screwed. is that not meant to be an insult?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you said republicans were a bunch of idiots and that because of them, the country was screwed. is that not meant to be an insult?
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John first said we're screwed bf I said it. I expanded on who he thought were idiots.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?

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lot's of insults from the party of love...be gentle though, the much hyped Jan 6th anniversary celebration and fundraising drive was a big flop, probably backfired and made more people angry with them than with trump which was the exact opposite of the intended effect...so they are probably a bit frustrated right now...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

lot's of insults from the party of love...be gentle though, the much hyped Jan 6th anniversary celebration and fundraising drive was a big flop, probably backfired and made more people angry with them than with trump which was the exact opposite of the intended effect...so they are probably a bit frustrated right now...

for Harris and Biden to equate 1/6 with Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is beyond preposterous. But when you have very little you can point to in terms of popular policy results, all you have left is to generate hatred against your opponents. Which is what they do in the media, 24/7.

Some group did a study of MSNBC and CNN, they still mention Trump more frequently than they mention Biden. That's staggering, a year later.

Still waiting for that cancer cure.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for Harris and Biden to equate 1/6 with Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is beyond preposterous. But when you have very little you can point to in terms of popular policy results, all you have left is to generate hatred against your opponents. Which is what they do in the media, 24/7.

Some group did a study of MSNBC and CNN, they still mention Trump more frequently than they mention Biden. That's staggering, a year later.

Still waiting for that cancer cure.

your the cancer its called denial just saying and the king of hatred and blowing trump at every Turn mentioning his lowest black unemployment .. but have the audacity to say very little you can point to in terms of popular policy thats funny you live in your own echo chamber .. its amazing but it explains and gives insight to those who Love Trump and are willing to vote from Him again .. insisting they also love america and its institutions


when will you understand pearl harbor was bad 9\11 were bad but you cry about the comparison .. but your only word on the incident is whats the big deal ??

However those examples they were not committed by fellow Americans led by the former POTUS aka Trump and other leaders in his sphere of influence with lies of a stole or rigged election ... which they still insist is what actually happened ..