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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You use the same 3 comments over and over and over even though for some they apologized.

I'm not impressed by apologies made long after the fact, when the person concluded they had to apologize for damage control.

Paul, it must be very easy for you to conclude that republicans are the divisive ones, when you dismiss all divisive statements made by democrats. Very convenient for you, indeed.

I pick those, because they're unbelievable to me that anyone could say them. And you have zero criticism for the folks who said them (saying only that Hilary was too generous), the only character flaw is mine for bringing them up. But there's no reason not to endlessly bring up Trumps moral flaws. It's totally fine to endlessly obsess when Trump is a jerk. But there's a strict statute of limitations on holding democrats accountable. That's what you're saying.

Hilary said that in a prepared, planned speech. When it was obvious she was taking a beating in the polls for saying it, then she issued a self-serving apology.

If Trump apologized, you'd be as forgiving?

"She prob. underestimated given the % that still don't accept the results of the election. ."

It is pathetic, I agree. How many democrats think conservatives oppose abortion not because they consider the baby to be a person, but because they simply want to control and enslave women? Equally stupid.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm not impressed by apologies made long after the fact, when the person concluded they had to apologize for damage control.

Paul, it must be very easy for you to conclude that republicans are the divisive ones, when you dismiss all divisive statements made by democrats. Very convenient for you, indeed.Every day I see divisive comments from both parties but FAR MORE from the Rs who have given themselves over to Trump and his classlessness.

I pick those, because they're unbelievable to me that anyone could say them. And you have zero criticism for the folks who said them (saying only that Hilary was too generous), the only character flaw is mine for bringing them up. But there's no reason not to endlessly bring up Trumps moral flaws. It's totally fine to endlessly obsess when Trump is a jerk. But there's a strict statute of limitations on holding democrats accountable. That's what you're saying.

Hilary said that in a prepared, planned speech. When it was obvious she was taking a beating in the polls for saying it, then she issued a self-serving apology. It was the very next day and if you look who was crying for an apology it was people like Trump and K. Conway.

If Trump apologized, you'd be as forgiving?Yes, I would. if it was sincere.

"She prob. underestimated given the % that still don't accept the results of the election. ."

It is pathetic, I agree. How many democrats think conservatives oppose abortion not because they consider the baby to be a person, but because they simply want to control and enslave women? Equally stupid.1st time I've heard that.

NNM

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NNM

"Every day I see divisive comments from both parties but FAR MORE from the Rs who have given themselves over to Trump and his classlessness."

Because you watch news you agree with.

Foxnews will show liberals saying mean things, and never show conservatives saying divisive things. Everyone else does the opposite.

So I have no idea how to quantify who does it more, though Trump isn't helping my side in this statistic for sure.

But that's why the right went with Trump. The right had previously nominated decent men who were unfairly attacked. George Bush was a racist and a Nazi (despite doing more to help Africa than any human being who has ever lived), McCain was a senile old racist, Romney was a heartless plutocrat who hated women. When the left keeps throwing cheap elbows, I'm sorry, but don't clutch your pearls when the right nominates someone who is also comfortable fighting with brass knuckles.

Nobody other than Trump could have beaten Hilary - nobody.

If you want a return to civility, I'm all for it. But both sides have to be civil, not just the right. The right appears to be done fighting with velvet gloves while the left uses brass knuckles. The left enjoyed that advantage for many years, and it's over.

"It was the very next day and if you look who was crying for an apology it was people like Trump and K. Conway."

She got CREAMED for saying it. It may have cost her the election. And she deserved it.

"Yes, I would. if it was sincere."

None of them are sincere.

"1st time I've heard that."

You've never heard anyone describe an anti-abortion person as wanting to control women, wanting to take away their choices, being anti-choice, waging war on women? Never?

Come on.

I have never, not once, seen a liberal not do that, when discussing abortion.

Pete just did it.