Climate change: Alps glaciers melting faster as heatwaves hit

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim there’s a name for what you do

hypocrisy discourse.

Conservatives who reject climate change action tend to use two “modes” of hypocrisy discourse. The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists to undermine the urgency and moral need for climate change action. The second, an “institutional cynicism” mode, encourages a cynical fatalism about any proposed governmental action regarding climate change by suggesting that governments are necessarily climate hypocrites because of the economic and political impossibility of serious emissions reductions. In contrast,
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i don’t reject climate change action. i spend more time on the water and deep in the woods than most, i want healthy and clean ecosystems and have a deep love of wild animals.

What i don’t want, is a lecture from anyone who voluntarily chooses to live in such wealth and extravagance that he has the carbon footprint of a small country.

Lead by example, or shut the hell up. The only thing Al Gore has unplugged in the last 25 years is his treadmill. I’m not interested in what he has to say. But you suck it up like a Hoover deluxe because he has a (D) after his name..
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t reject climate change action. i spend more time on the water and deep in the woods than most, i want healthy and clean ecosystems and have a deep love of wild animals.

What i don’t want, is a lecture from anyone who voluntarily chooses to live in such wealth and extravagance that he has the carbon footprint of a small country.

Lead by example, or shut the hell up. The only thing Al Gore has unplugged in the last 25 years is his treadmill. I’m not interested in what he has to say. But you suck it up like a Hoover deluxe because he has a (D) after his name..
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Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.

wayne, if we all get electric cars, where does all that additional
needed electricity come from? do you think wind and solar can generate it?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.

wayne, if we all get electric cars, where does all that additional
needed electricity come from? do you think wind and solar can generate it?
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You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

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here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-poi...nt-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-poi...nt-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

Poor troll, 100 years ago electrical power was nonexistent outside of towns, in the following 30 years almost all Americans had electricity.
Google….”change”
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-poi...nt-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

Wow They took credit.. yep trying to reduce a know pollution producer who built and spent millions on cooling towers because the destruction of the Bay

But truth is

In 2014, Dominion sold Brayton Point to the private equity firm Energy Capital Partners. The company, based in New Jersey but incorporated in the Cayman Islands, bought the plant and two others for less than half the price Dominion paid for the environmental improvements.

And then, just six weeks after the deal closed


Energy Capital Partners deliberately manipulated the wholesale market for electricity, single-handedly turning the region's energy supply from a surplus to a deficit.

"Their whole plan was to buy Brayton Point so that they could prematurely close it in order to create an artificial shortage to drive prices up," he explained. "Prices went up by more than a billion dollars — a huge price increase — all to be paid for by New England ratepayers. It's exactly what Enron did."


But please keep blaming environmentalists
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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who says i’m waiting for one big
idea fix everything?

you make tons of assumptions. very few are accurate or correct.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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believe me, I understand that additional electricity won’t come from just wind and solar. That's precisely why I asked you where it would come from, and you wouldn’t. answer. how come? if you have no idea, and clearly you don’t, why are you advocating for switching to more electricity?

I’m convinced that many liberals thing that batteries generate their own electricity.

Are we all supposed to walk around rubbing balloons on our heads all day? the left is opposed to coal, adamantly opposed to nuclear ( by far the most realistic and least environmentally intrusive option), maybe hugs and unicorns will power all those electric cars that are coming.

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[scottw]

classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

But of course you left out the reason why. Imagine that .Such honesty

So you think this event isn’t related to climate change or any of the droughts or record breaking rains are just incidental



The actual alert

Wednesday, Aug. 31 – 11 a.m.
The California ISO has issued a Flex Alert for today, Aug. 31 from 4-9 p.m., due to high heat across the state and supply uncertainties. View the news release here.
More Flex Alerts are likely through the holiday weekend, as excessive heat is forecast to blanket most of California, and supplies are expected to be tight in the afternoon and evening, when solar production rolls off and demand remains high.
The ISO also issued an Energy Emergency Alert (EEA) Watch, effective 5 to 8 p.m. today, to access additional resources and prepare market participants and the public for potential energy shortages and the need to conserve. View our Emergency Notifications fact sheet for more information.
Consumer conservation will be critical to stabilizing the grid and maintaining electricity flow today.
• A Flex Alert is in effect today, from 4-9 p.m.
• We are experiencing some of the highest load levels of the year.
• We are monitoring weather conditions in neighboring areas, which impacts our ability to
import power from other grids.
• Overnight temperatures are staying high, which makes buildings and infrastructure
retain heat and can cause people to run air conditioners more.
• During multiple days of heat, generators that have been running at top speed can fail or
trip offline unexpectedly.
• We also have to expect the unexpected, meaning we need to be prepared for any
unplanned event that could tighten energy supplies.
• We called a Flex Alert to ask consumers to reduce electricity use from 4-9 p.m. today.
• That is the most critical time on the grid, because solar production is going offline, but
temperatures remain high.
The most important actions we’re encouraging consumers to take are:
 Pre-cool your homes before 4 p.m. and then set the thermostat to 78 degrees or higher
from 4 to 9 p.m., if health permits.
 Defer use of major appliances from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. Run your dishwasher and washing
machine earlier or later.
 Turn off all unnecessary lights from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.
 Cook your meals earlier in the day to save energy and keep your home cooler.
 Avoid charging EVs from 4-9 p.m., if possible. Instead, charge them before 4 p.m. when
solar production is abundant and electricity prices are likely lower.
We don’t anticipate any rotating power outages at this time.
This is the second Flex Alert of the 2022 summer season

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

There was an unusual weather event in California and Governor Newsom asked residents to pitch in during a moment of crisis. People responded for the good of the community. The crisis passed with the electricity still on. Is a better model what was experienced in Texas?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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you keep dismissing me as waiting for a big idea. i keep
telling you you’re wrong, i have solar panels and a Nissan Leaf. yet you keep saying it for some reason.

i’m waiting for any and all ideas which work. You’re waiting for whatever comes out of the mouth of democrats.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

Didn’t your blessed mother tell you to be careful what you wish for?

Lewis Mumford predicted in 1958 that Americans would discover that the highway program will, eventually, wipe out the very area of freedom that the private motorcar promised to retain for them. This warning has come to pass. Today, the car embodies the freedom to wait in traffic. Transportation choices hardly exist. Viable transit systems exist in only a few big cities, service is usually infrequent, inconvenient, and expensive, and is being drastically undermined by fare increases and service cutbacks. Gasoline is one of the few things that are cheaper today in real dollars than 20 years ago. Mass transit travel is many times more expensive. Development patterns make transit travel difficult, even for those who prefer it, and unavailable to most.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Didn’t your blessed mother tell you to be careful what you wish for?

Lewis Mumford predicted in 1958 that Americans would discover that the highway program will, eventually, wipe out the very area of freedom that the private motorcar promised to retain for them. This warning has come to pass. Today, the car embodies the freedom to wait in traffic. Transportation choices hardly exist. Viable transit systems exist in only a few big cities, service is usually infrequent, inconvenient, and expensive, and is being drastically undermined by fare increases and service cutbacks. Gasoline is one of the few things that are cheaper today in real dollars than 20 years ago. Mass transit travel is many times more expensive. Development patterns make transit travel difficult, even for those who prefer it, and unavailable to most.
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I’m sorry pete, we don’t like public transportation. and it’s not because public transportation isn’t state of the art. It’s not because of cost. we just prefer driving ourselves. that’s our culture. i don’t say that because it serves my agenda (!that’s not a conservative talking point) , i say it because it’s true.

here in CT we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paving 9 miles of road and built a busway into hartford. there’s no traffic, as only the buses can ride in it. the buses are cheap to ride, subsidized by the state. they are state of the art low emission buses. and nobody rides them.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

Spoken like a true cult member. FYI there are plenty of cars and roads and highways in Europe

And Americans love public transportation. Just not the US example
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