Divers: Friend or Foe?

[Fish_n_Dive]

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[Roger]

Originally posted by LinesidesontheFly
I reeled my gear in and removed the hook and bait, replacing them with a 6 oz. pyramid sinker. I needed the extra weight for casting distance. While they were floating along waiting for a wave I was casting to their general direction. It only took a couple of casts to get the proper range. One got up on a wave and surfed right into my line getting it wrapped around his leg.

You think that's shock therapy? Shock therapy would happen if you hit one of the surfers with your weapon, or if the tangled guy drowned. You're convicted and the shock would come when a couple Walpole inmates hold you down to make you their *****. Pretty shocking.
That's why violence is not such a good idea.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally posted by Fish_n_Dive
if both parties can be polite then things will be a lot better.

I'm always Polite....sometimes TO Polite. It just seems that fisherman are always a second hand consideration to what ever Else goes on at the beach/lake. Whether it is Surfers, Divers, Swimmers, or Kids playing in the water. Its almost like you don't exist.

Nothing chaps my A$$ more than when your standing there fishing and someone brings there Dogs down to swim right where your fishing. It must happen to me a 1/2 dozen times a year.

I always look for a spot where no-one is around to fish rather than plank my butt down in the middle of everything and expect everyone else to suddenly change because I'm there.

[likwid]

Originally posted by Roger
You think that's shock therapy? Shock therapy would happen if you hit one of the surfers with your weapon, or if the tangled guy drowned. You're convicted and the shock would come when a couple Walpole inmates hold you down to make you their *****. Pretty shocking.
That's why violence is not such a good idea.

I'd have to agree with this...

Yell and scream what you want, don't go trying to get yourself into a situation where you may get in more #^&#^&#^&#^& than you bargained for.

I had a surfcaster show up while some friends and i were in the lineup long before he probably had dragged his Jersey butt out of bed then proceed to chuck hooks/plugs/etc. into my general vicinity. Eventually managing to hook and cause considerable damage to someone's board.

Needless to say the favor was returned on his tires.

So yes, some of us who fish have gripes against others who fish. :P

[Iwannakeeper]

Originally posted by The Dad Fisherman
I'm always Polite....sometimes TO Polite. It just seems that fisherman are always a second hand consideration to what ever Else goes on at the beach/lake. Whether it is Surfers, Divers, Swimmers, or Kids playing in the water. Its almost like you don't exist.

Nothing chaps my A$$ more than when your standing there fishing and someone brings there Dogs down to swim right where your fishing. It must happen to me a 1/2 dozen times a year.

I always look for a spot where no-one is around to fish rather than plank my butt down in the middle of everything and expect everyone else to suddenly change because I'm there.

Hear-Hear - very well said! I tried to say this yesterday and it came out in a convoluted, long-winded, go-nowhere essay of stupidity.

I go where no one is, and expect everyone else to do the same.

If I can have the courtesy to avoid others time on the water, why can't everyone else.

And I must agree with Dad, fisherman are always the second class citizens. Same with hunting. Even though fishing and hunting brings millions of dollars into every states economy, we (fisherman and hunters) are never given the respect we deserve. <climb down off my soapbox>.

[Vectorfisher]

Seems everytime I find a good waterfowling spot and shoot there on a Saturday next week I have company, last year an old man setup directly in my shot pattern on the other side of my decoys!! I basically yelled to him that I dont want to hear it if a stray pellets gets him, my buddy and I proceeded to shoot everything out of the sky that morning until we both had our limit of ducks and geese the old man just sat and watched freezin his no action a$$ off all morning. I have never been back, found another spot and if I get pushed out again will do the same, if you are willing to put time and effort in there are a lot of places to fish and hunt ALONE!!b

[Fish_n_Dive]

The Dad Fisherman:
as a member of both parties i can see where you are coming from, i dont know how many times you have had "your" spot "stolen" by divers but i'm going to guess its a lot less than other anglers.

i'm going to guess that you dont know much about scuba diving. try talking the next diver that "steals" "your" spot on why they cant do their entry/exit at a different spot. you might learn something. about being "too polite" what does this mean, do you move when someone gets near, which could be mistaken as letting them go where you were

[CANAL RAT]

Originally posted by Iwannakeeper
I am not hating on anyone.

But I do have a question for you divers. given the weight of gear you have to carry and the safe entry/exit points.

If someone is standing where you want/need to enter/exit, what do you do?

you could, not unload you gear and drive to another dive site.

you could interupt the fisherman and ask them if they minded if you entered here.

you could march on thru.

IMHO - you move on to the next dive site. I personelly do not fish a over-crowded beach - regardless of whether the crowd consist of fisherpersons, swimmers, divers, or seals.

just my $0.02

you have about 70lbs on your back

[Iwannakeeper]

CanalRat,

Ok..got me there. And in this example, technically, you were in the spot first. And I would be understanding, especially after reading this thread.

And since my question was not clear, I will take this opportunity to clarify. I actually was refering to while you were in your car, before suiting up.

As you drive up to a spot, with all of your gear in your car, not in your hands or on your back, and one or several fisherman in the safe entry points.

do you drive on?

march thru?

or something in-between?

[RockLobsta]

I like to do a good amount of Rock-Hopping along the N. Shore and have one pet peeve: DIVERS! They show up in groups of 5-25, often with thier wives and children in tow and spend a good 1/2 hour right behind the fishermen getting prepped. Then they proceed to walk right past you and slide into water almost directly over your line. Divers, in almost all my experience, are the rudest, most inconsiderate creatures to swim in the ocean. There are lots of acess point just 40 or 50 yards away from where I am fishing but they insist on jumping in to my honey-hole. Of course when they emerge it is right onto the rock on which I stand.

I have been diving the north shore for 15 years and not once have been close to someone's "Honey Hole" as you refer to it. I don't know where your fishing but maybe you should look for another spot. You also make vast generalizations in your rant implying that all divers are rude. Well I could make the same generalization about fisherman too, but I won't because not all people, weather it be individuals or groups, are the same. Yes, there are assh$le divers and assh$le fisherman too. So lighten up dood......

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally posted by Fish_n_Dive
i'm going to guess that you dont know much about scuba diving.

Nada, Zilch, Zip, Nein, Not a fargin thing about it........And I never claimed to......But I do know common courtesy, And when you ignore the fact that someone was there before you and just barge in that is just plain RUDE. No matter what your doing!!!

This thread had nothing to do w/ Scuba Knowledge...It was about being Considerate.

[spinncognito]

Originally posted by RockLobsta
I have been diving the north shore for 15 years and not once have been close to someone's "Honey Hole" as you refer to it. I don't know where your fishing but maybe you should look for another spot. You also make vast generalizations in your rant implying that all divers are rude. Well I could make the same generalization about fisherman too, but I won't because not all people, weather it be individuals or groups, are the same. Yes, there are assh$le divers and assh$le fisherman too. So lighten up dood......

As I stated, rude divers have been "my experience". Not a vast generalization, just a personal viewpoint gained from my frequent encounters with the wet-suited set.

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