combo for canal jigging?

[rhodyflyguy]

i'm looking to get a set up to start jigging the canal next year. I've got a lami 1363M that I'm building spinning, would this work with a Nautil 7500? This would be for my dad.
for myself, i was thinking of building a SU1209 and mating it with a Saltiga 4500. i would probably spool both with 65 lb. braid. any help would be great!

[Nebe]

ALLSTAR 1209

[Fishpart]

1209

I recommend conventional for canal jigging. It's tough on the finger to hurl those heavy jigs out there. I recommend the ABU 7000 series.

[Slipknot]

http://www.striped-bass.com/StriperT...threadid=20146

the 10' 1209 factory spinner is the perfect jigging rod if you want a spinner, this price is a bargain..

[spence]

Yea, that 1209 is a score.

If you do go conventional, a rod like a 1213m is a very easy rod to cast...

-spence

[Saltheart]

The 136 3M is a lot of rod for Jigging. something shortre. people like the 1209 but remember its useless at less than 4 OZ. Its really a 4 to 6 or 4 to 8 rod. Its also a pool cue for action. You won't even feel smaller fish.

Obviously i make enough rods so that i can use anything i want myself. i have stayed away from the 1209. I like the arra 1205. Another great one for the canal would be the arra 126 1MH. for considerably less money , you can get an Allstar 1266 which is great for the Canal. Another rod that will work well if you prefer tossing mostly 3 and 4 OZ jigs is the allstar 1208. there are techniques where you can get down even in the strongest currents with 4 OZ.

lots of choices. to me , if you are just beginning , you will find too heavy a rod like the 136 3m and even the 1209 a problem. once you are expert , you'll know enough to choose your own rod based on how you do it and what you like. Many of the more expert ditch jiggers like 1209.

Anywwya , as a point of reference . i use an arra 1205 with a BG7000CL and 50 LB spectron. My fishing buddy Smokey uses the same reel and line but do to a need to get it into his pickup truck , he uses the two piece allstar 1266. It also works great at the canal.

Not to ruffle anybodies feathers but using a 1209 with a spinner just seems crazy to me. If you are that serious about jigging , you should get good with a conventional . Spinners do allow casting a great distance for some but once you hook up i honestly feel you give up a lot using a spinner.

[NIB]

I never thought that usin a spinner for jiggin was very smart.Till I started to see the results Slip an JP had with it.the angler formally known as Newell Guy Is a convert also.tough to argue with the succes these guys have had.So I tried it an it worked great for me also.reelin back the jig faster.gets me fishing more.i always liked the Idea of the rod bein in my power hand.if a fish swims towards u u can take up line faster an control him better with the spinning.this yr i'm gonna try the cannon casting aid as I think i hurt some tendons in my arm castin for ten days in a row at the canal plus a few 3 day weekends after that.I also wanna try the conventional up there to mix it up a bit.like Karl does.But at this point i think it would be a disadvantage.To each there own.I use the factory 1209 from breakawy i think its a LDFS 100.Matched up wit a yellow 7500 wit 30 lb fireline.I got one 36#'s that turned the reel to mush.but i had no problems landin another over 30 a a few close to the 3rd base mark after that.I have a friend who throws the 12' tica conv.2 pc.an loves it.

[Back Beach]

I just built a 1208 and would recommend it highly for jigging the canal. As mine is a spinning setup, I would recommend you go conventional if this is going to be a rod strictly used for jigging in the canal. If it is going to be a multi purpose rod, the spinning setup with a VS 200 or something heavy duty is preferable, in my opinion, and can cover many bases.

[rhodyflyguy]

i was thinking the 1363 would be a bit long. I'll probably cut it to 10'6". es, those all stars mike has look pretty good. pick one up after the holidays. thanks for the help. searching is always good, but current stuff hels more.

[Stroth]

1209 ---- nautil 7500


50# powerpro


spro swivel

40# fluoro

breakaway clips

palomar knots all around

IMHO more often than not you will need 4-5 oz. to effectively jig...sometimes you will even want more than that and the 1209 can handle it.

The price is an absolute steal. Buy it now and don't worry!!!

[Saltheart]

As I said , real experts like Slip and JP choose what they like and no arguement there. . I'm just thinking the 1209 is a lot for a beginner to deal with.

As far as the spinner goes , I can't help but wonder if the guys who go every day and are good at it wouldn't be landing some 50's instead of 30's oif they had the conventional reel. I'd be willing to bet they are occasionally hooking huge fish like 50's but just not getting them in on spinners.

[Nebe]

saltheart, whats the big differance??? is it casting distance or is it the battle with the fish that has you so sold on conventionals???

[NIB]

Originally posted by Saltheart
As I said , real experts like Slip and JP choose what they like and no arguement there. . I'm just thinking the 1209 is a lot for a beginner to deal with.

As far as the spinner goes , I can't help but wonder if the guys who go every day and are good at it wouldn't be landing some 50's instead of 30's oif they had the conventional reel. I'd be willing to bet they are occasionally hooking huge fish like 50's but just not getting them in on spinners.

How many Fifties do U know of landed on a jig in the canal during a good pace say 4.4 kts of current.the place is brutal an chances are thin in the current of landing a big fish evrythings gotta go right...The main reason I use a convetional is it handles thicker line better.but in the canal with depths of 35-50 ft an 4-5 kt currents thick line don't get down.Tell me how Newel guy had any chance with the same line of landin the fish he lost last yr in the canal with the conventional.i wasn't there but from what he told me he did all he could.the reel just holds the line U whip a fish with the rod.the 1209 because it is so dstiff may be tough to cast with with a conventional U don't load it u kinda whip the jig out there.Saltheart U been fishin there alot longer than i have I'm sure u know more than me I could be wrong.I just think when it comes to 50's in the canal,jiggin u gotta have some good karma conventional or spinning an thats what i'll make alll the difference.

[Saltheart]

I mean after the hook up , not the casting. Hell , these guys cast a mile with the spinners. !!! I've told them all this before face to face so its not news to anyone.

Just my opinion.....maybe I'm all wet. No spinners for me though.

[NIB]

Mike Ur not all wet by no means, I been at this a long time an u probably forgot more than i know.Sometimes u gotta cast far. I really think its as easy or easier to fight a fish on the spinner.as long as the spool don't rocket thru the guides.the spinners do take a poundin from the tension.maybe JP will have better luck with the Saltiga he's lookin into.The nautil's are throwaways imho.I think I asked JP last yr if he knew of any fifties taken on a full current with a jig.all he could tell me was the horror stories.One of his protege's got one 2 yrs ago I think it was 46 lbs when he was done he carried the fish up to the service road an layed down next to it. I think thats the biggest he knew of.The list is long of things that can happen with a big fish.in the current.even if everthing from the reel to ur knots hold up u gotta hope the jig don't pull or worse open the hook.things U really have no control over i lost a good one at the cribbin last yr was a good fish taken some line an the hook pulled. U just don't get em all.In the canal u get less.....

[Slipknot]

You're not wet Mike BTW Mike, I am NOT an expert by any means.
You use what works for you, it's as simple as that.

I think the main difference in fighting a big fish in fast current between the 2 reels is that obviously the conventional - the line comes straight off the spool, and the spinner - the line has to angle off of a line roller. I have never had any problem with my line coming off on that angle even with 10-12 lbs of drag. I do have a hrad time with the drag on the conventional letting line out smoothly though and it's hard to lock the drag on hte Abu, and easier to lock the drag on the spinner.

I haven't had the experience to hook a fifty yet let alone land one. I hope to someday. I don't know anyone that has caught a 50 from the bottom on a bucktail or skin jig, and if anyone has then I bet it was on a conventional. JP will eventually get one if Blong or I don't beat him to it

[NIB]

Next yr I plan on makin a few more trips with the hopes of gettin one of those canal monsters to the shore.Lets hope I have some good karma that night. I truely believe there is a fifty in there for the better part of the season.just gotta fool em an hold on.i got a few new things up my sleave for her if she takes.

[Stroth]

Good thread and great posts.

Over the past seven years I have struggled with all of these themes. I learned conventional to fish the ditch because that is what I thought you needed. I bought abus I changed them to smoothies...etc, etc.

Over the past season after fishing with powers and others I made the switch to spinning and I will not go to the ditch without it.

The braid levels the playing field in terms of casting so distance is no longer a factor.

As for drag I am almost convinced that the drag on some of the high end spinning reels is better than some of the conventionals.

For me it comes down to reliability and ease of use. I do not care how good you are with a conventional eventually you WILL have a backlash and then you'll spend some valuable fishing time fixing it.

This is even more true if you are fishing when you should be....at night. I can't tell you what a difference it makes to be able to make cast after cast in the pitch black without worrying.

Then again you can fish next to Carl and he'll throw a squidder on a yellow lami and he'll outcast and outfish you.

It is all about practice practice practice and finding what works for you.

Best of luck!!!!!

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by NIB


.I think I asked JP last yr if he knew of any fifties taken on a full current with a jig.all he could tell me was the horror stories.One of his protege's got one 2 yrs ago I think it was 46 lbs when he was done he carried the fish up to the service road an layed down next to it. I think thats the biggest he knew of..

That was at slack tide and that fish just about wrecked him (BCY)

I landed my only 40 (42 lbs) in fast current(not as fast as it gets but still fast) and I had no problem landing in, it took some line a few times but I winched it in and whipped it good. I think with some luck, someone will land a 50 someday soon

[NIB]

Originally posted by Slipknot
You're not wet Mike BTW Mike, I am NOT an expert by any means.
You use what works for you, it's as simple as that.

I think the main difference in fighting a big fish in fast current between the 2 reels is that obviously the conventional - the line comes straight off the spool, and the spinner - the line has to angle off of a line roller. I have never had any problem with my line coming off on that angle even with 10-12 lbs of drag. I do have a hrad time with the drag on the conventional letting line out smoothly though and it's hard to lock the drag on hte Abu, and easier to lock the drag on the spinner.

I haven't had the experience to hook a fifty yet let alone land one. I hope to someday. I don't know anyone that has caught a 50 from the bottom on a bucktail or skin jig, and if anyone has then I bet it was on a conventional. JP will eventually get one if Blong or I don't beat him to it

There is no doubt that a conventional is a better reel as far as drag goes just by the difference in design.Drag is a after thought in the canal. 12 lbs is alot Slip showed me that.If it starts peelin I grab the spool/(don't try this at home)......... ifa fifty was caught on a conventional its because the JP method if i can call it that is realatively new.With the braids a newer tackle to come out in the last few yrs it is a new option as with in the past usin mono upwards of 20 lbs on a spinner was not a good idea.but very doable on a convetional. I think the jig drops faster if it aint pullin the spool to let out line.u get more time on the bottom more bang for ur buck.I cut the bail off the nautil as thats the way I'm used to fish.It takes some gettin used to.to each their own.

[Slipknot]

go back to the Stella thread

[NIB]

Originally posted by Slipknot
That was at slack tide and that fish just about wrecked him (BCY)

I landed my only 40 (42 lbs) in fast current(not as fast as it gets but still fast) and I had no problem landing in, it took some line a few times but I winched it in and whipped it good. I think with some luck, someone will land a 50 someday soon

Well if i don't get it i hope u do.Hows that for a Christmas present.U can give that same present to JP also.why not its cheap.

[JPowers]

heh,heh,heh......

Blong's buying a Saltiga!! Blong knows!!!!!

To my knowledge ( I've asked/researched everywhere) NOBODY has ever landed a 50#er at the canal on conventional or spinning while jigging. Many came close - Stan Kuzia, Blong and his crew, a couple of other guys, but it's still a benchmark to shoot for.

[Stroth]

I love the blong stories!!

[NIB]

I love any an all of the JP stories could listen to the guy for hrs.If The Saltiga is good enough for JP an His buddies where do i sign up.

[Back Beach]

I would say the conventional setup makes it easier to pay line out and still keep contact with your jig if you need to employ the dropback method like you do in a few places. Stroth, you are correct in saying the line quality has somewhat equalized spinning versus conventional . Given identical blanks, though, the other advantage in my mind with conventional is that a conventional rod typically employs a collector guide that is closer to the reel, and thus closer to the strongest part of the rod. IMHO, this would give you a rod of greater strength versus a spinning setup that typically features a collector guide placed further up the blank.

[NIB]

Originally posted by JPowers
heh,heh,heh......

Blong's buying a Saltiga!! Blong knows!!!!!

To my knowledge ( I've asked/researched everywhere) NOBODY has ever landed a 50#er at the canal on conventional or spinning while jigging. Many came close - Stan Kuzia, Blong and his crew, a couple of other guys, but it's still a benchmark to shoot for.

Well then I would consider It a Honor to be the first.

[t.orlando]

My buddy took a 54# jigging(not a bucktail) last year. Conventional. Had to jam both thumbs on the spool to stop it.

[NIB]

Originally posted by Back Beach
I would say the conventional setup makes it easier to pay line out and still keep contact with your jig if you need to employ the dropback method like you do in a few places. Stroth, you are correct in saying the line quality has somewhat equalized spinning versus conventional . Given identical blanks, though, the other advantage in my mind with conventional is that a conventional rod typically employs a collector guide that is closer to the reel, and thus closer to the strongest part of the rod. IMHO, this would give you a rod of greater strength versus a spinning setup that typically features a collector guide placed further up the blank.

I do nothing but employ the dropback method if someone is fishin on the down side of me I move. I agree In most normal circumstance's where one does this on a convetional it is a better way but in the canal there's alot of tension on the line from the amount of it in the current.AS i let the line come off the spool i count the times it ticks my finger.to give me a idea of how to work it the next cast.often i will get hits with the line on my finger as sometimes its let line out bounce once an let more line out spot in the drift an i get too lazy to put it back up on the roller.The fish seem to get hooked from the tension on the line.i have had hits there that wanna pull me from my perch but I've never been cut by the line.i think I have as much control with no surprises from fish taken the jig while the reel is freespool.(pooof)

[NIB]

Originally posted by t.orlando
My buddy took a 54# jigging(not a bucktail) last year. Conventional. Had to jam both thumbs on the spool to stop it.

That can hurt.Both thumbs ?How did he hold the rod.was that the fish taken on the big storm shad.?????