Got in a plover argument last night - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

tattoobob · 05-01-2005, 05:11 PM

If there were more humans on the beach the birds would not suffer from being eaten other animals. People like her have there ideas and they are the only one that others should follow. Once they close a beach there is no foot traffic aloud either. I bet you don't see her out there during beach clean ups and planting beach grass for dune restoration.

Karl F · 05-01-2005, 05:19 PM

I am going to go through my papers... it will take me a bit to find, but the CCNS has published a paper that claims that ORV's used properly have no impact on Plovers. Also, last year at Sandy Neck, the rangers opened a closed area to the self-contained.. because the fact that with the campers there, the nests were not disturbed by the predators...... biggest danger to plovers.. Racoons, Skunks, Foxes, Coyotes, and developers. How many miles of coastline to Rhody and CT. have??? and how many pairs of nesting plovers do they average per year? Last year we had 19 pair in the ORV corridor at Nauset (just at one MA 4X4 beach!)... more than twice what the whole friggin coastline of CT and RI combined... she sounds typical of the anti-movement, open mouth, empty head.
When I find that document, I will post the document #, you should be able to contact them and order a copy... might take me a bit.

RoyL · 05-01-2005, 05:28 PM

You should bring her some roasted cornished hens next time you plan to see her....lol

fishsmith · 05-02-2005, 07:32 AM

Poke that lady in her eye with your fork next time. My hatred for that bird is only rivaled by Rick Pitino. Coyotes and foxes are all over the beach, but its the 4wd's fault.

likwid · 05-02-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tattoobob

If there were more humans on the beach the birds would not suffer from being eaten other animals. People like her have there ideas and they are the only one that others should follow. Once they close a beach there is no foot traffic aloud either. I bet you don't see her out there during beach clean ups and planting beach grass for dune restoration.

I totally agree that half these retards have never done one good thing other than "donating money" so they can get that cute sticker for their car but I'll tell you what, foxes and coyotes on the cape don't have one bit of fear of humans anymore. They'll happily walk right up to that bucket of bait and steal out of it at 3 in the morning.

While it is kinda cute to see a 3lb Red Fox dragging a big ole herring down the beach, its certainly not safe considering they caught 2 in Norton last week that had rabies.

The dog dosen't go out after dark anymore after hearing about that one.

fishweewee · 05-02-2005, 08:34 AM

Bring some cats to the beach.

Reward 'em for every plover they kill - with a nice fresh salmon dinner.

DRUMCORPFAN · 05-02-2005, 09:13 AM

jim, next time you go to a dinner party will you ask the host if the woman will be there?

piemma · 05-02-2005, 09:18 AM

In 1996 the feds had most of the Front closed for the Plovers. So we could get to the SEcond Rip but the Race was closed and all but about 100 yards of the Back was closed.
There was A Golden eagle in residence on the Front and he would sit on a Plove sign and one by one he picked off every little Plover that wandered out of the fenced area. Then the Foxes and Cyotes made short work of the remainder. Yeah, like we were running over the baby Plovers!!!

Friggin' tree hugging woosies. I had a "Piping Plover tastes like Chicken" sticker on my buggy on the cooler and a lady ranger actually gave me a lecture about saving the little birdies.

outfished · 05-02-2005, 10:41 AM

Now you guys know why a have a 50 cal. mounted on the back of my Hummer Canal Bike! Oh the humanity!

Swimmer · 05-02-2005, 11:25 AM

First of all SANDMAN thank you for standing up for all of us.

That same lady probably donated to the PETA organization that helped get leg-hold traps banned, which increased 10 fold the amount of forage food, (like racoon, foxes, groundhogs) that coyotes feed on, including them round little plovers. People like your fellow party-goer always take the easy way out and blame the obvious choice the guy with the 4 x 4 who travels the beach fishing. God forbid she actually looked into the problem more deeply and found out she and her ilk contributed to the problem more than any ever could have. In her shallow world I imagine her gene pool as only being puddle deep. The liberals, at least the lazy liberals, who think they are educated or maybe are educated would rather create a new rule than deal with a problem by using the value system in place. Wait till there is 1.2 billion people living on this continent, as in China, or just in this country and then try to convince that mass of humanity a plover is more important than one persons movement from one place to another. With all the money, time, and energy that these people have thrown at the so-called plover problem what they can't admit is there utter failure in the task at hand. I drive down Deluxebury beach backside road and watch four or five teenage girls getting paid 8 to 10 dollars an hour to watch the plover nest and keep traffic going 5 m.p.h. talking to a like amount of teenage boys not doing their job. For all these kids/people new there were no plovers inside the fence. Species sometimes do not survive, trees do get cut down (sometimes old growth), roads get built, and LIKWID those rubbers trees probably dont survive being drained of all their resources that go into making your wetsuits. I jumped out of my truck one morning at High Pines on the backside of Deluxebury Beach and found two of the mangiest most sickly foxes I have ever seen in my life staring at me. They weighed about 2 lbs a piece. If thats what a plover diet does for the foxes I dont see what the fuss is about anyway.

FishermanTim · 05-02-2005, 11:35 AM

I's the same old NIMBY scenario.
They're all for saving the "animal du 'jour", but if you try to restrict their activity, the read you the riot act.
My best analogy is the "harvesting" of deer to manage herds.
The animal rights activist want the hunting to stop, but when the animals begin invading our neighborhoods becasue their food supply is gone, when we see and hear about animal / human cotact with disasterous results, when we see and hear the results of entire herds starving and malnourished, where are the same people to lend their support?
They're nowhere to be found, because they have found some other "cause of the day".
Most "true" hunters and fishermen are concerned about the plights of animals, we just don't turn into a$$holes about them.
As it's been stated before, the wildlife in the surrounding areas is doing more damage than the humans have. We are limited by the seasons, nature isn't.