Rove- (political thread)

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

Eben, I get the impression that you just don't like Bush, and is looking for anything that would make him look bad to the rest of us!!!!

he lied. yes, I cant stand the guy and he has all of you duped. he fools you by thinking your going to pay less taxes by lowering yoru income tax rate and in the long run we are all going to pay far more.. look at oil prices you pay a % of that prices in taxes so you are paying more fuel taxes. look at rising property values- you are paying more propery tax. The whole thing is a big big lie. Am i the only one that sees this?

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by Eben

The whole thing is a big big lie. Am i the only one that sees this?

Apparently so. We're all a bunch of sheep too stupid to know when we're being duped.

[BigFish]

I must put the popcorn down for a moment....I must agree with Eben in that the Government only tells you what they want you to hear......you think they are truthful? I don't! I believe very little of what the government tells the public, so mostly I ignore it! Can I have the popcorn back now?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Apparently so. We're all a bunch of sheep too stupid to know when we're being duped.

nope.. not too stupid, just not paying close attention

[JohnR]

I don't give a rats buttocks if the person was Janitor Larry or Karl Rove, people operating in the intelligence branches of the US Government must not be given up to any organization without express written legal permission.

These people that work at these agencies can't tell their family what they do, must often take polygraph tests, are constantly put thru interviews to probe what they say and cannot say, and make incredible sacrifice to the families and for their country. The penalty for those that work at these agencies if they fail to uphold operational security is at minimum loss of clearance and/or job and maximum prison, unless of course in time of war where I suppose you can still be shot (though just expect a lengthy prison stay).

They say loose lips sink ships, with these people it is their work, sometimes national security and in the worst cases, their lives. This tenet is and should always be APOLITICAL. Not to be violated by anyone and certainly not to be used in politics or "leaks". If so, where does it stop to become a political "tool" and become harzardous to the operative or the country?

Whether Karl Rove or Janitor Larry, NO PERSON, citizen, or government official has the "power" to get away with circumventing this most basic need of anonymity in these branches of the D.O.D.

Even if Rove did not break the "law", and that will be determined in time, he should resign his position out of deference to those that really have laid their ass on the line. He broke the "honor code" with these people. Sorry - this one really burns my a$$

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Even if Rove did not break the "law", and that will be determined in time, he should resign his position out of deference to those that really have laid their ass on the line. He broke the "honor code" with these people. Sorry - this one really burns my a$$

Exactly!!!!! heads have rolled for less. IMO this is more worse than Clinton's Lewinski affair. We're talking national security here, not an oval office BJ...

[spence]

It is pretty amazing how the GOP is doing everything in their power to make this an angry Democratic smear.

I guess we should forget that someone in the Administration did out an undercover agent to discredit Amb. Wilson.

I guess we should forget that Wilson's beef against the Administration was about Bush making statements about Iraqi WMD they had zero evidence for?

Argue the details all you want, the substance of the case hasn't changed.

-spence

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by JohnR

These people that work at these agencies can't tell their family what they do, must often take polygraph tests, are constantly put thru interviews to probe what they say and cannot say, and make incredible sacrifice to the families and for their country.

Some serious politics going on here. It's widely known that the state department and the CIA are full of political appointees from several administrations; not necessairly loyal to the present one. Someone in the agency has given permission for a 22 year CIA veteran to write and publish a book which is highly critical of the Bush administration.

I agree with a poster above. I think Rove will resign. It's unfortunate, but I think the president jumped the gun on this one.

In the grand scheme of things this isn't much more than a ruffle on the surface of the water.

[Homerun04]

Oooo....oooo......can I have some popcorn to...??

I love it when Dems and GOPs start yelling at each other and blaming each other.....great theater.....it's like the Hatfields and McCoys.....neither side is bright enough to see that both sides are "slime".

[MAC]

"Define Lie"

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

Oooo....oooo......can I have some popcorn to...??

I love it when Dems and GOPs start yelling at each other and blaming each other.....great theater.....it's like the Hatfields and McCoys.....neither side is bright enough to see that both sides are "slime".

Thay all suck.

Name me 5 Apolitical:

News Sources

Senators

Reps

Major National Figures

[BigBo]

I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't resign his position or that what he did was right. I was merely stating that there wasn't much they could pin on him.
Believe me, I'm not to effin pleased with a lot that G.W. has done. I just don't think that this is one of those situations that he be criticized over.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Thay all suck.

Name me 5 Apolitical:

News Sources

Senators

Reps

Major National Figures

Does Bassmaster count as a major national figure? he seems pretty apolitical.

[outfished]

[spence]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Someone in the agency has given permission for a 22 year CIA veteran to write and publish a book which is highly critical of the Bush administration.

Assuming you're talking about "Imperial Hubrus" I don't see how they can legally stop the Author. It was written as "Anonymous", He doesn't reveal any classified information, and it's not at all a Bush bash book in a partisan sense.

While Bush does take plenty of lumps, it's because our own (former) CIA Bin Laden top expert happens to think Bush is making repeated strategic blunders in the war on terrorisim...

And I'd agree.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

I motion that all political blah blah be put on hold until January when the fishies have swam away.
For awhile I followed politics and was very vocal on these boards, now I can care less.

[PaulS]

Its funny hearing the pres. press secr. backpedal as the press keeps asking him to comment and his refusing even though he commented plenty b/f rove's name came out.

Even if what rove did was not illegal (& I don't know how its not illegal to give someone enough info. to figure out who our spies are), shouldn't those working with our governments most secret info. be held to a standard other than if its not a crime, you can do it and come to work tom.

[Homerun04]

[fishweewee]

Originally Posted by Eben

he fools you by thinking your going to pay less taxes by lowering yoru income tax rate and in the long run we are all going to pay far more..

look at oil prices you pay a % of that prices in taxes so you are paying more fuel taxes.

look at rising property values- you are paying more propery tax.

Am i the only one that sees this?

1) Rising oil prices should be blamed on China & India (driving up demand), the latest hurricane which has hurt supply in the Gulf (bad Wx alone drove oil through $61/bbl), and the a$$hole hedge fund traders who manipulate commodity prices. You can blame Bush for not coming up with an actionable alternative energy strategy (really, though, what can you do in 6 years?), but it's not intellectually honest to blame him for high petroleum prices. It's in the national interest to have low fuel prices - these high fuel prices could trigger a recession.

Also, I don't know about RI, but in the rest of the country, fuel taxes are an absolute level per gallon (both state and federal). How are you paying more fuel taxes? I'd argue that you're paying less, cuz you're likely to be conserving. Also, heating fuel is not taxed at the retail level (it's taxed on a per gallon basis by various state and federal DOT's before it gets delivered to the distributor).

2) Rising property values are a function of fixed supply of real estate, historically low interest rates, a$$holes moving to RI from NY and CT like locusts , and, a strong economy. You want to blame Bush for all of that? Also, mil rates and assessed values which go into calculating property tax are determined by the town you live in, not by the White House.

As an aside, if Rove is culpable, he oughta be strung up by his family jewels.