Gas Prices - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Mr. Sandman · 08-31-2005, 05:02 AM

was 3.25 here at the street last time I looked. Yukon XL will take $84 on a fill up. Lasts me about a month though. Now that the beach is open I suspect it will be much less now.

Then you have gas for the boat, she takes about 135 gals every two weeks if I skimp on my trips. (several charter guys I know are burning about 40-60 gal/day) Most boats get about 2 mi per gal, some get less then one. I need a small nuclear reactor, initial cost is high but you can run those babies wide open for 30 years before your next fill up.

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

MAC · 08-31-2005, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

I couldn't agree more.

Raven · 08-31-2005, 06:01 AM

its time .....

kippy · 08-31-2005, 06:08 AM

Bush responded the other day that we can't snap our fingers and the prices will come down. It's time to tap into the domestic supply. I am sick of this country being at the mercy of A-rab controlled OPEC. Can't wait to see what home heating oil prices will be this winter!

Raven · 08-31-2005, 06:33 AM

there will be an announcement from the Bush Administration about the
utilization of our oil reserves. they we're origionally created for emergency situations like what hurricane katrina has delivered to the oil industry.

zacs · 08-31-2005, 07:15 AM

The cumbys by my house in RI went from $2.67 to $2.90 overnight. What the hell is that? I usually fill up in MA as that is where I work. I paid $2.52 yesterday morn. I will check and see what it is today. I have a 100 mile round trip so this is going to kill me.
_Z_

afterhours · 08-31-2005, 07:25 AM

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. how long can we just accept the unacceptable- wish it was an election year, things would be a little different.

Pete_G · 08-31-2005, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

Of course I can't find any numbers right now, but we couldn't sustain ourselves no matter how hard we tried if we only used our oil. We simply don't have the oil even if we had some serious success in offshore drilling. Also, Alaska is a waste of time, in relative terms. Just a drop in the bucket. Canada sits on a lot of oil, but most of it is very expensive to extract from the sand it is mixed with.

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe we could use our own oil but currently we consume way, way too much to think about it.

spence · 08-31-2005, 07:37 AM

Amen to that Pete...

What amazes me about this entire conversation is the real answer, the only way to really make any difference in the short term is to STOP CONSUMING SO MUCH FREAKIN OIL!

The estimated reserve in ANWAR could be easily compensated for by a slight inclrease in MPG standards. A thoughtful and pragmatic program to reduce unecessary oil consumption in the US alone could have a major impact on Global supply. Hopefully this would give us the time to seriously investigate alternative sources and keep the lights on for a few hundred more years.

Could this mean some sacrifice? Sure, but think about it in terms of national security and economic stability and it would probably be worth it...unless of course you're Exxon Mobile and like your 25 Billion dollar yearly profit

-spence

ronfish · 08-31-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_G

Of course I can't find any numbers right now, but we couldn't sustain ourselves no matter how hard we tried if we only used our oil. We simply don't have the oil even if we had some serious success in offshore drilling. Also, Alaska is a waste of time, in relative terms. Just a drop in the bucket. Canada sits on a lot of oil, but most of it is very expensive to extract from the sand it is mixed with.

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe we could use our own oil but currently we consume way, way too much to think about it.

I agree with you about our using more than we can produce but if we built some new refineries in other areas then we could keep the Alaskan oil here rather than ship it to Japan for refining. Plus why put all our eggs(refineries) in one basket(Gulf coast) when everytime you turn around they have to shut down for another hurricane and its damage!
Another item everyone who's posted seems to forget- most of the gas engines can be made, at the factory, to use fuel more efficiently if the auto makers wanted to. I was looking tobuy a new truck in the near future but I am not too crazy about the gas mileage the new ones are getting. so looks like I'll have to hang on to the one I have for awhile longer. Ron

Pete_G · 08-31-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ronfish

I agree with you about our using more than we can produce but if we built some new refineries in other areas then we could keep the Alaskan oil here rather than ship it to Japan for refining. Plus why put all our eggs(refineries) in one basket(Gulf coast) when everytime you turn around they have to shut down for another hurricane and its damage!
Another item everyone who's posted seems to forget- most of the gas engines can be made, at the factory, to use fuel more efficiently if the auto makers wanted to. I was looking tobuy a new truck in the near future but I am not too crazy about the gas mileage the new ones are getting. so looks like I'll have to hang on to the one I have for awhile longer. Ron

Even if we refined Alaskan crude here it would barely effect anything at the pump. A couple cents in a best case scenario, which of course doesn't really matter right now. And you wouldn't see that benefit for at least a decade.

10 billion barrels of oil (best case scenario for Alaska, it could easily be less) isn't much to get excited about since we use 7 billion barrels a year.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 02:36 PM

what i really wnat to know is what went down in those 'top secret' energy meetings at the whitehouse just before the iraq war went down...

everyone remember those?????

i dont understand why people love these crooks so much.

Iwannakeeper · 08-31-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

what i really wnat to know is what went down in those 'top secret' energy meetings at the whitehouse just before the iraq war went down...

everyone remember those?????

i dont understand why people love these crooks so much.

has nothing to do with love of crooks. i hate aspects of the adminstration too. I just do not blame all of our woes on them. Most of the problems we have including energy and ecological issues didn't start a few years ago - they have always been there. And in typical US fashion nothing is done until there is a crisis.

I still would rather have the 'crooks' in the white house. I would rather pay $5 at the pump (consumption - something I control). than the alternative, turning over national security to the UN and a %$%$%$%$ load more social programs taking money from my check each pay period.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwannakeeper

I just do not blame all of our woes on them. Most of the problems we have including energy and ecological issues didn't start a few years ago - they have always been there.

the problem has been there, but the bush admin. is amplifying the causes for oil price increases.... ie global conflict. i bet your one of those who thought IRAQ was going to attack us somehow and posed a threat